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[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago (6 children)

No... by wisdom and strategy.

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Certainly! First I'll effort for years towards a cohesive (yet under-developed) strategy, then I'll reveal it to internet strangers on a whim for them to murder (like a helpless infant in a crib) that their ego might be stoked and their blackpill bias further confirmed, then I'll cry and give up trying altogether in frustration eventually coming to believe that there is no solution, only to later have my adversaries discover my half-baked plan/words later (being posted on the internet) giving them a chance to develop counter-measures, only to eventually succumb to their doxxing/neutralizing efforts.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's a lot of words for saying you haven't ever studied historical examples of fight against oppression. I take it for granted you despise the American revolution, all revolutions for independence in Latin America and post-colonial countries, and the struggle of native americans against European colonizers?

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oof, you're right... I wasn't expecting an ad-hominem attack! With my plan defeated, I Now I will go cry in the corner... it's all going according to plan!

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don't know what ad-hominem is. I've criticised your lack of knowledge of revolution processes, not called you a dummie.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yep, maybe I should just give up trying... if I can't distinguish "an internet stranger telling me what I despise" or "lumping me into a straw-man group" from an ad-hominem attack, then it would turn out just like that last historic revolution you mentioned which employed state-actors controlling and subverting the populace with AI-powered internet robots.

[–] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're still not answering my claim about historical revolutions. Care to address that part?

[–] dubious@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

you won this argument. let your opponent whimper in peace.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You know, Magnus Carlsen writes entire textbooks on chess strategy and still manages to win virtually every game he plays.

[–] CyberMonkey404@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 month ago

Here's a hint:

You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.

-- Buckminster Fuller

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

by wisdom

The wise man once said, "Ow! My nose! Owie ow ow ow! He hit me right in the face!"

and strategy

Ever try to win a chess game without taking a single piece off the board?

[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago

ig put me on your terrorist recruitment signup or whatever

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Lot of delusional people out there on both sides who think that an armed uprising is actually viable and would lead to better outcomes.

As if we wouldn't have to share the country with the other half of people who don't want you to uprise shit and will hate you even more if you try.

No, you don't want an uprising. You don't even want to get off the couch, so lets stop lying to ourselves. You want better management of the system so you don't feel so hopeless and tired that you rather just melt into the couch every day.

We got here because they made you unwilling to get involved in your community and your local politics. If everyone cared more for changing their local communities, then we would have a much better federal system with our rights being upheld. You don't kick money out of politics on a federal level, you do it town by town, county by county, state by state. But most people are so lazy that they think they can sit inside as everyone does an armed revolt outside and then the world will be better.

Nah dog, you gotta get out and make changes with the tools we have. Stop believing in magic.

[–] dubious@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

i agree that wisdom and strategy have their place in violent movements. any violent movement without those two key ingredients is doomed to fail.