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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 75 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd take RCV over nothing, but STAR and approval are significantly better like the other user said.

Some reasons for approval

  • Addition is the only math involved. So it is extremely easy to get live results during counting. It makes auditing votes extremely easy.
  • It is dead simple to understand, so the least amount of voters will be confused by it.

A longer form explanation of some of the other stuff:

https://dividedwefall.org/star-and-approval-voting/

[–] snowsuit2654@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Approval voting sounds good.

One issue I see with the star system is that people tend to have preconceptions about star ratings. E.g. some people never rate 5 stars on principle or will rate something 3 stars without realizing that is a 60% rating. My point is I think you might see some weird skew in the results based on this.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I can see that happening, which is why I think approval is the best of them all.

And with that said, so long as not all the votes are given equal scores, their votes would still matter even if they don't believe in 5 star perfection.

And IIRC, there is nothing actually stopping a STAR system from using a 1 to 10 point scale instead of 5, which would further help with that issue.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Let's ne honest though, that's not the real issue. The real issue is low info voters aren't going to have a nuanced opinion like. It will be 0 or 10. All of the votes coming in like this will invalidate any consideration you spent some time working out to decide a 7.5 is the perfect representation of how you feel.

Even more big picture. We are wasting our efforts arguing over the details of a voting system when voting reform isn't even on the table.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

The real issue is low info voters aren’t going to have a nuanced opinion like. It will be 0 or 10.

Yeah. For the reason I think each candidate should be given one page to explain their policy. And that page should be printed out and available to all voters.

For mail in voters it should be included with their ballot.

Far too often I've voted in local elections and tried to research the candidate just to find no information on any of them. It's infuriating trying to make a choice when it's impossible to know anything.

We are wasting our efforts arguing over the details of a voting system when voting reform isn’t even on the table.

Agreed. But we can dream.

[–] xlash123@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I love how this video explains the differences between the voting methods. It's what made me prefer STAR over RCV.

https://youtu.be/Nu4eTUafuSc

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I am a little disappointed that they didn't include approval as one of the examples.

But still a fantastic video.