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Liz Cheney: Conservatives need a new party because the GOP is damaged (thehill.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by btaf45@lemmy.world to c/usa@midwest.social

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's not usually how it works. Democrats serve Wall Street and Silicon Valley first, but make concessions to Main Street as necessary to keep Republicans from taking over. The less of a threat Republicans are, the less incentive establishment Democrats have to put the needs of voters ahead of their sponsors.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

I’m 100% with you. I just have (delusional) hopes of a sea change, and that is never historically a safe bet

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Democrats serve Wall Street and Silicon Valley first

Then how come Biden raised corporate taxes? How come every Dem voted against Trump's gigantic tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy? Following the money cuts thru all the vague claims and bullshit and provides clarity.

The less of a threat Republicans are, the less incentive establishment Democrats have to put the needs of voters ahead of their sponsors.

That is the exact opposite of how politics work. The one and only thing that will result is a big shift to the left is for Dems to win over and over and over.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I already answered your first paragraph in the comment you replied to, but I'll embellish. Not every wealthy person involved in politics is in favor of insanely low taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Over reliance on austerity to balance the national budget is ultimately not in their best interest, and some of them are bright enough to realize it. Those are the concessions I mentioned.

The stark reality is that the situation for working Americans has gotten worse under both Republican and Democratic administrations. It's not just because Republicans have always managed to out maneuver Democrats in leveraging power. It has often been caused directly by Democratic legislative "successes". "The era of big government is over!" came from Bill Clinton as he shredded federal welfare programs. Obama reacted to the mortgage crisis by bailing out his Wall Street donors and hanging homeowners out to dry.

As for your second paragraph, it's as delusional and historically ignorant as anything I've heard out of MAGAts. Democratic victories are necessary for progress, but it's only the threat of immanent fascism that has historically driven Democrats to make improvements.

Biden went from being one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress to the most progressive Democratic President in fifty years. All it took was a massive fascist movement barking at his heels.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Democratic victories are necessary for progress, but it’s only the threat of immanent fascism that has historically driven Democrats to make improvements.

Not true. It is firm control of congress and the presidency. That is what created the New Deal and the Civil Rights era.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

“It was this administration which saved the system of private profit and free enterprise after it had been dragged to the brink of ruin.” President Roosevelt, on how his emergency actions in 1933 prevented a revolution and saved capitalism.

FDR was an elitist and a racist, but he understood that capitalism couldn't survive that moment by continuing a hard line against interests of the citizenry. The new deal was another compromise to protect the establishment from causing it's own destruction.