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Protestation (discuss.tchncs.de)

submitted 1 month ago by protestation@discuss.tchncs.de to c/communism@lemmy.ml

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Right. The designers and the majority of the workers are capitalists

What are you trying to say here? That the majority of workers are also the owners?

workers are capitalists by participating in a capitalist society. Some of the workers are communists. That is true.

Oh, you're talking about ideology? Why? Who cares what the workers individually believe, we are talking about the fact that they are workers.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I was referring to the other definition of capitalist, as in a capitalist country. In that case, capitalist is an adjective, and has a different definition.

noun: a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism. "the creation of the factory system by nineteenth-century capitalists"

adjective: practicing, supporting, or based on the principles of capitalism. "capitalist countries"

Also, most Apple employees are shareholders. They offer excellent stock options for employees.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was referring to the other definition of capitalist, as in a capitalist country. In that case, capitalist is an adjective, and has a different definition.

Sure. We don't care about that, though. That's secondary. What we are discussing is that, mechanically, within Capitalism, it is the workers alone that design, mine, ship, build, and sell the phones, not the owners.

Also, most Apple employees are shareholders. They offer excellent stock options for employees.

Petty stock ownership does not a Capitalist make.

Before we go any further, how familiar are you with Marxist theory? We aren't really talking about the same thing here, so establishing a baseline would help.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You’re incorrect. The meme references capitalism, not capitalists. I miswrote my initial statement by using capitalist instead of capitalism. Americans support capitalism by working and paying taxes, even if they’re not capitalists. What the US makes is produced through capitalism unless you’re native or communal.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You’re incorrect.

Nope, I am correct here.

The meme references capitalism, not capitalists.

The meme is made by a Communist, we are specifically talking about how Capitalists are unnecessary because even in Capitalism, the workers do all of the labor.

Americans support capitalism by working and paying taxes, even if they’re not capitalists. What the US makes is produced through capitalism unless you’re native or communal.

No, you're not talking about the same thing here. Workers did all of the labor in creating your phone, it wasn't the Capitalists. We aren't saying Communism produced the phone, but workers.

Again, how familiar are you with Marxism?