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I'll buy an electric car when
A) it won't spy on me and
B) I won't have to sign away my soul and first born to whatever car company I'm buying from
I hate to break it to you, but nowadays neither of those are exclusive to electric cars. Just sounds like you might never be buying a new car again.
It’s still easy to disconnect the cellular antenna if you’re fine with losing features like self driving and map updates.
This. Shit doesn't magically communicate with the company that made it. If they don't want their data used, don't connect it to wifi and disconnect the cellular antenna and pull the sim card 🤷♂️
It would be good to know which car companies don't give annoying/intrusive warnings for doing the disconnect.
Plus I'd be concerned about gotchas regarding warranty and liability - GM just issued a recall for brake fluid level software not working, I don't want to be on the hook for causing an accident just because I didn't update my software.
I guess there just aren't many old enough electric cars out there.
What we need is an open source alternative to the OS's in our cars, but the hardware is disparate and it faces a steep buy-in hurdle of "spare practically brand new project car".
I'm sorry. Do you think that gas cars don't spy on you. Literally every car manufactured since 2000 has its own GSM/CMDA radio that is constantly connected and sending telemetry data to private corporations contracted by car manufacturers.
Those companies are constantly having security breaches too. Constantly
At least some companies let you use the data too (eg https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/bmw_connected_drive/). Mainly European companies.
Get a Dacia Spring. Its like a classic car but BEV. And has a manual button that switches off all data transfer to the cloud.
Probably just stores it until you turn it back on. No way a company is going to just throw money away.
This shit can’t even determine it’s charging connection stare properly in cloud.
We all overestimate automotive capabilities in terms of cloud. Most of the companies make shit system with shit performance and capabilities.
Buy one from China, The only people spying on you then will have a miniscule impact on you, ever.
lol, I wouldn't bet on that. They wouldn't be spying on you if they didn't think they had something to gain. Just learn where the attenna or comm unit is and pull the wire/fuse. Check online for any electrical engineers who already disabled theirs.
Chinese car companies sell their data to anyone who will pay. Including American companies who then resell your data.. and so on. There are no protections and all your data is it out there
Do you have a source for this or are you just making it up?
I do. It's called embedded telematics. Here's the first Google result for it:
"Just like a smartphone, a vehicle that is equipped with embedded telematics has a cellular modem built into it right from the factory. This embedded telematics modem allows the car to connect to the cellular network and communicate with other internet-connected devices such as mobile phones."
But be very careful about information on disabling or modifying these things, most cars after 2018 will straight up no longer work if you disable them.
Unverifiable stuff, don't trust: I've seen the data first hand and worked with companies that provide services to "de-anonimize" the data produced through various systems to provide targetable consumer lists.
It'd take exactly zero effort to find your cars driving activity and when you (your cell phone) were in the car. And anyone with money can get it.
Is it "legal" probably not? Do corporations care? Absolutely not. Legal costs are nothing compared to be value this shit provides
This doesn't say anything about selling the data to anyone who will pay.
All the car companies have mobile apps now, and the car needs some way to communicate with the app...
I agree with your terms, and would add one more:
C) when they don't all weigh 6000+ lbs
Hey, good news - they don't. Now back to your cave.