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For real. Boris Johnson was always up for a laugh, and a bit of harmless fun, which is why we elected him. He was the absolute best thing to happen to England, and the wake of destruction he left behind still leaves many of us breathless.
Is Tusk similar to Boris? I mean, obviously Boris presided over Brexit which was a real fuck-up. Then again, was Brexit really Boris's fault? What with the referendum, democracy and all that good stuff. It seems to me that the people of the UK made their own bed in that regard.
His crimes:
Who he is:
He pretends to be a lovable harmless buffoon, but he is actually a severely corrupt well-connected man who knows how to win public opinion. Such men are dangerous.
Brexit was voluntary the entire way. The referendum wasn't even binding. Cameron could easily have said it was too close for a mandate to be clear. Imagine what they would say with an independence vote like that in Scotland.
The British conservative movement wanted Brexit. The real story is they almost didn't even make it over the line to 50%; they pushed ahead with something that didn't require a referendum; was obviously becoming a worse idea as the years went on; and was completely reversible right up to the moment they actually left.
No, not at all. I think it was just one association they had that funny-likable doesn’t automatically mean being a good politician (or person).
Yes, good point.
I was leaning more on funny-likable/charming is suggestive of deep-seated populism and corruption
Boris literally just made up stories about the horrors of the EU when he was a journalist in Brussels:
https://www.ft.com/content/ad141e8a-976d-11e9-9573-ee5cbb98ed36
He definitely helped set the stage for Brexit.
Sure, but there was a very long debate about the implications of Brexit with both sides getting a comprehensive airing. I'm not defending Boris. Boris is an asshole and a corrupt, clownish demagogue, but the Conservative Party is more than just Boris. The people of the UK voted for Brexit in a refendum and kept the Conservatives in power for 14 years, including twice AFTER the Brexit referendum. Heck, the 2019 election was practically a second referendum on Brexit and the Conservatives got their largest landslide victory since Thatcher was PM. Boris may be an asshole, but the people of the UK have to own Brexit.
They are not comparable though, BoJo is a clown.
I hope not. My hands tremor when they say they find a politician "funny".
Politics-wise Tusk is more like Starmer, just with a sense of humour.
The one thing I like about Starmer is that he doesn't try to be funny. He tries to be a politician. A bad one. One that inherited a broken system. One who is also now under fire from criticism of corruption. But he doesn't shy away from it. He attends interviews where he gets regularly roasted for his bad performance, and he trucks on.
I don't like him, but I respect what he tries to be.
I was referring more to his views. Starmer is centre (some even say Tory light) which is not far away from Tusk, who is also centre. But anyway, to conclude, Tusk is very far away BoJo. He was just joking this time which is not something he does often.