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If you fail to use the /s tag or specifically call out that your comment is sarcastic, I'm going to treat it as being earnest. I might ask if you're being sarcastic, but I will downvote as though you are being earnest.

The /s tag not only clarifies, but it also confirms that you're being sarcastic. A thing you cannot ordinarily convey via written text unless you specifically call it out. You can hint at it, readers can infer it, but you cannot convey it. To convey it, sans directly stating it, you would need to include a recording of you speaking the comment, which defeats the whole point of text chats.

"It definitely reads as sarcasm, you're just missing it" So what? I'm neurodivergent. I barely get this shit in its normal, spoken context. Why should I be expected to understand the implied sarcasm in your text comment?

"Telling someone you're being sarcastic ruins it" Unless your definition of sarcasm is just lying to someone's face, you do indicate sarcasm when speaking. Via the exaggerated, deadpan tone you use. Something you can't convey in written text unless you specifically call it out.

"I made it very clear via hyperbole that it was sarcasm" Have you talked to people? Your obvious, over-the-top, hyperbolic sarcasm could just be someone's opinion taken whole cloth. In fact, you probably modeled your exaggeration AFTER a person. Can you see why, if I don't know you, there's no way to tell?

"I forgot the tag" cool, if I see the edit adding it back in, I'll revert my downvote. Consider it the opportunity cost of forgetting.

"It doesn't hurt anyone" Yes, it does. You give credence to your exaggerated position that you would never take because the people who think like that exaggerated position will point to your comment as proof that they have support. It's why 4chan rebirthed nazism.

"I still won't do it". Then have fun with the downvote. You want to make the internet worse? I'll be sure that you don't get the internet points your brain craves.

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[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I honestly didn't think this would be as unpopular as the responses make it seem. I used to be against using /s because "it makes it less fun" but way too many people get the wrong message. I decided to start using it because I want people to understand me correctly. It's that the point of communicating with people?

IRL I try to be more over the top, but even then (like OP and others pointed out) if the person doesn't know your baseline then they might think you are being serious. It has happened to me countless times.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Completely disagree. Sarcasm is much funnier if you play it straight.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can agree with this statement for real life interactions, but online you can't pick up the nonverbal cues.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can think this is funny and be able to pick up on the sarcasm, but it doesn't mean everyone else can.

I still think /s is valid. I'm not like OP and I don't go out of my way down voting. However, I think the problem is when someone doesn't pick up on your sarcasm, and then you were to dismiss their comment and double down on, "just sarcasm bro" instead of fixing how you communicate to people. I'm not talking about rare outliers. I wish it was rare. I just notice people have more problems communicating with sarcasm in text.

Not that any of this matters at the end of the day.

[–] Amanduh@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago