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[–] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I'm not into WH40k, but from fragments I've seen, isn't like 70% of the problems in the setting caused by the elves not explaining things to the humans?

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

There are some ancient relics from back before the humans went all culty and actually knew things. Those relics are shit like moon sized battle stations and guns that shoot blackholes (slightly backwards through time so their percieved arival is instantanious). All the stuff like city sized mechs and tower block sized tanks used to be fodder tier standard troops. So actually encouraging the humans to know things or think critically is just about the worst thing the elves can do considering the human state is really xenocidal.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Nobody trusts anybody does cause a lot of problems. There is also a problem that any Human who did listen to a space elf saying to leave this world would get a blam to the back of the head.

But honestly the space elves having murder fucked a new chaos god into existing and turning a good chunk of the galaxy into literal hell is probably the cause of 70% of problems.

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate that a significant portion of the 40k universe's problems aren't actually humanity's fault.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah you can pin all the big problems on the old ones.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Lack of communication is a problem, but there's also really good justification for there being a lack of communication. Even if the elves did explain things, they have caused enough problems to make humans legitimately wary of anything they say in the first place.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not into it either, and I've never heard that. Could the humans have avoided some of the grim darkness if they had good advice?

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

To be fair, the Eldar tried to warn the emperor, but the Primarch they found had already fallen to chaos. Fulcrum, if I remember right.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Their warning worked way better than Magnus's warning.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

About the horus heresy. Sorry, I implied that, since that's the big turning point, but I should have made it explicit.

[–] Kerb@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

i have some surface level knowledge,
and i also cant recall anything like that.

id say that the majority of humanitys issues are self inflicted.

it is unlikely that eldar would disclose such an issue,
but its just as unlikely for humans to follow such advice.

informing the humans would probably just result in them raiding said tombs actively worsening the situation.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To be fair, the response would be sustained las/bolter/plasma/melta/whatever fire and the occasional Exterminatus in 96.7% of attempts to communicate with the Mon-keigh.

[–] m4xie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

They explained everything about Chaos to the Interex Human+Xenos society.