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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cheney is circumspect about it, but if you read eep enough, you can see he’s not voting for Harris, but against Trump. Meanwhile, George Will makes it clear – he’s NOT a friend of Kamala Harris or Progressivism. He’s just anti-Trump and wants Trump out of his political sphere.

Keep moving right. I'm sure they'll come around. Not like any of you need encouragement.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I suspect 'right' to this poster means anything left of the Buddha. Really big words for someone who can't get even a quarter of the country to own any left-wing labels. ;)

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The party is supporting an ongoing genocide, and has adopted Republican border policy and support for fracking. The Biden administration openly brags about having the greatest oil production of any administration, as though that's not something to be ashamed of. That's what I consider moving to the right. And what centrists consider a good start.

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

No, dear reader, the party is supporting an ally that we swore we'd protect from a variety of hostile nations who have sworn to wipe Israel off the map. Houthi rebels attacked inside of Israel in the past 24 hours. And this is not a left vs. right thing as much as it is a foreign policy issue that's being exploited by bad actors trying to divide the Left and unify the Right so they can get their authoritarian friends installed.

Again. Most Americans, especially those who vote reliably, are far more concerned about cost of living than whether or not we let more foreigners live here or whether or not we spank Israel for their misadventures in Palestine. You want to reduce oil production? And do what? Russia's oil production was curtailed severely after its invasion of Ukraine and that resulted in a massive surge of energy costs world wide. You need to cut oil consumption if you want to cut oil production, and we've already seen that voters in the USA are willing to punish any party that cuts production for political purposes if it harms them at home. This poster's idea of cutting oil production will get Republicans elected, which will harm everything this it says it supports. That's my point in all of this.

Interesting questions to think about:

  • This poster and its ilk are constantly talking about Palestine and how evil Israel is, but never how they plan on making it so that Israel isn't run roughshod over by its neighbours. Why is that?
  • Why don't they hold Hamas as accountable for this as Israel? I mean, Hamas WAS the aggressor and technically this is a defensive war by Israel...
  • This poster and its ilk focus so heavily on Palestine. What about Ukraine, who is also being brutally invaded and subject to atrocities?
  • Republicans have said that they plan on empowering Israel to wipe out Hamas, whatever it takes, and allow Israel to subjugate Palestine, no matter what the locals want.
  • Republicans have said that they are going to withdraw military support to Ukraine. This will allow Ukraine to be steamrolled by Russia in short order. Do these people who advocate voting third party or staying home think that Ukraine doesn't deserve to exist?
  • And above all, how does this poster and its ilk justify getting Democrats thrown out of office through non-voting or third-party voting when we know that the Republicans have a plan for everyone, that includes stopping all left-wing voters from ever voting again.
[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They actually never talk about Palestine, or even Israel. Only American politicians and parties.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It is absolutely disgusting how you talk about an ongoing genocide.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

It's why he's been upvoted. Lemmy's centrists are genocide hawks.

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Genocide apologist.

Still voting blue.

You're still a genocide apologist.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Genocide apologia is basically what .world is for.