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    [–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    A VM doesn’t change the underlying OS collecting data from you

    [–] abfarid@startrek.website 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Privacy and data collection-wise MacOS is fine. It's their main selling point. Doesn't even force updates on you. I know it's a low bar, but damn Windows bar is at the floor at this point.

    [–] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    MacOS collects a large amount of data compared to Linux (although not even close to windows). Take a look at their tosdr page and this

    [–] abfarid@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago

    I didn't say it's perfect, but it's not terrible. And I think that page is mostly about Apple services, like iCloud and stuff, not MacOS specifically. It's not necessary to use the services.

    [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    I had to look it up (e.g. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/317371-evaluating-apples-data-collection-in-macos-big-sur) and damn, I didn't know that they collected and sent THAT detailed of info!? (and perhaps they didn't, until Big Sur)

    Even so, as the other reply mentioned, it's still leagues away from Windows at this point. But yeah, fair then that both Windows and Mac OSX are doing it, while Linux is not.

    Still, if you had to pick a machine for your grandma to use, or like either Windows or Mac at work (but not Linux, though lets say that there is a terminal SSH option to Linux available from either), I would pick Mac OSX. It's fine if others would pick Linux for the former, but I don't think Mac OSX is a bad choice there.

    While Windows... urg, is basically synonymous with being a cuss word nowadays. Witch: "a pox be upon thee - nay, moresooth, may you be cursed to only use Windows for the rest of your days!" (Onlookers: "gasp! what could anyone have done to be cursed with that bad of a punishment!? I would not wish that upon even my worst enemy!?") hehe:-P

    [–] aniki@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    That link doesn't say what you think it does.

    [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    That Apple blocks you from running every program you put onto it until/unless it can be properly certified, and that "Big Sur can bypass any firewall restrictions the end-user attempts to create"? It's true that it's not nearly as bad as it may sound at first, and they even released a statement that:

    We do not use data from these checks to learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices.

    Notarization checks if the app contains known malware using an encrypted connection that is resilient to server failures.

    These security checks have never included the user’s Apple ID or the identity of their device. To further protect privacy, we have stopped logging IP addresses associated with Developer ID certificate checks, and we will ensure that any collected IP addresses are removed from logs.

    Though I also understand that if someone wants the ultimate in privacy, it's difficult to trust such a corporate promise, especially one like Apple known to hide or lie about such things. (Edit: also... "developer ID certificate checks", so if you don't register with Apple as a known developer then...?)

    I still use Mac OSX myself, but if someone wants to avoid that and use Linux for this reason, I'm not going to argue with them - whereas I would push back a little bit if a friend were to tell me they planned to put Windows (as the primary OS) onto a machine.

    [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Yeah, that's what network-level blocking is for.

    [–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

    Zenarmor ftw.

    [–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

    damn had not heard of that and I have so many friends fucking with OPNsense. Thanks!