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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Oh yay my corporate job I've been at for close to a decade just decided that all employees need to be "verified" by an AI startup's phone app for reasons: https://www.veriff.com/ Ugh I'd rather have random drug tests.

[–] mii@awful.systems 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Am I understanding this right: this app takes a picture of your ID card or passport and the feeds it to some ML algorithm to figure out whether the document is real plus some additional stuff like address verification?

Depending on where you’re located, you might try and file a GDPR complaint against this. I’m not a lawyer but I work with the DSO for our company and routinely piss off people by raising concerns about whatever stupid tool marketing or BI tried to implement without asking anyone, and I think unless you work somewhere that falls under one of the exceptions for GDPR art. 5 §1 you have a pretty good case there because that request seems definitely excessive and not strictly necessary.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

They advertise a stunning 95% success rate! Since it has a 9 and a 5 in the number it's probably as good as five nines. No word on what the success rate is for transgender people or other minorities though.

As for the algorithm: they advertise "AI" and "reinforced learning", but that could mean anything from good old fashioned Computer Vision with some ML dust sprinkled on top, to feeding a diffusion model a pair of images and asking it if they're the same person. The company has been around since before the Chat-GPT hype wave.

Given thaty wife interviewed with a "digital AI assistant" company for the position of, effectively, the digital AI assistant well before the current bubble really took off, I would not be at all surprised if they kept a few wage-earners on staff to handle more inconclusive checks.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't see the point of this app/service. Why can't someone who is trusted at the company (like HR) just check ID manually? I understand it might be tough if everyone is fully remote but don't public notaries offer this kind of service?

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Notaries? Pah! They're not even web scale. Now AI, now that's web scale.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 months ago

we have worldcoin at home

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Our combination of AI and in-house human verification teams ensures bad actors are kept at bay and genuine users experience minimal friction in their customer journey.

what's the point, then?

[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago

One or more of the following:

  • they don’t bother with ai at all, but pretending they do helps with sales and marketing to the gullible
  • they have ai but it is totally shit, and they have to mechanical turk everything to have a functioning system at all
  • they have shit ai, but they’re trying to make it better and the humans are there to generate test and training data annotations