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My problem with atheism (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 months ago by platypus_plumba@lemmy.world to c/atheism@lemmy.world

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First of all, I have more in common with atheists than religious people, so my intention isn't to come here and attack, I just want to hear your opinions. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you if I am. I'm just expressing here my perception of the movement and not actually what I consider to be facts.

My issue with atheism is that I think it establishes the lack of a God or gods as the truth. I do agree that the concept of a God is hard to believe logically, specially with all the incoherent arguments that religions have had in the past. But saying that there's no god with certainty is something I'm just not comfortable with. Science has taught us that being wrong is part of the process of progress. We're constantly learning things we didn't know about, confirming theories that seemed insane in their time. I feel like being open to the possibilities is a healthier mindset, as we barely understand reality.

In general, atheism feels too close minded, too attached to the current facts, which will probably be obsolete in a few centuries. I do agree with logical and rational thinking, but part of that is accepting how little we really know about reality, how what we considered truth in the past was wrong or more complex than we expected

I usually don't believe there is a god when the argument comes from religious people, because they have no evidence, but they could be right by chance.

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[–] bane_killgrind 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but nobody is making claims about the contents of the universe outside the boundary of what is observable. Or they are, and they are presenting it as theory and creating some sort of mathematical model to describe it.

Even then, those are still falsifiable, in that we could potentially test the validity of the mathematical model locally.

The concept of gods does not allow for any descriptions that could be tested. Last I check all real things can be described, that's how we define real.

So this concept can't be defined as real. If you get this far without concluding that it isn't real, that's a deliberate act of intentional ignorance.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Exactly, because we don't have the means to prove or disprove it, we shouldn't have any belief about it. A belief in this matter is just a guess based on personal preference. There's no knowledge or evidence to back any position besides "I don't know, I can't know".

I don't think because we haven't figured out how to test it so far it means it is impossible to do so. We may just need to get a better understanding of reality.

[–] bane_killgrind 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ok so if there's no theoretical method to test it, it's not real. Prove or disprove aside, there's no test.

Back to the beginning of the universe, there are methods to test those theories that we aren't yet capable of testing.

Again, forcing no conclusion is an intentional act of ignorance.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If something can't be tested with current technology or theoretical knowledge, then it isn't real?

Was electromagnetism real in the 800s?

[–] bane_killgrind 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you don't know how old magnetism is can you just fuck off and read some books or something?

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Sure, I will