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Your hub for collection of materials that contribute to a world with less car ownership. Including buses, motorcycles, bicycles, skateboards, longboards, scooters, hoverboards, e-scooters, pedestrians, walking, running

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Human is also operating that crane. You wouldn't trust the operator AND the machine to work flawlessly enough to walk under the load

[–] toaster 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The stationary crane comparison doesn't carry over to dangerous machines in the context of transport.

The only proven way to make cycling and walking safe is by separating motor traffic from other modes of transport, by way of cycleways along main roads, and filtering minor roads to restrict through-motor-traffic.

When you have no such safe infrastructure and the entire dialog is "be careful around those dangerous cars", then there is clearly a problem.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're right in that there should be safe space for pedestrians and cyclists to travel, but it's exactly the same reason as the crane case: to keep them safe from dangerous cars and other heavy vehicles.

Repeating again, I do agree with your point but the reasoning you used was just wrong. You don't walk blind in front of a moving car because it's fucking dumb thing to do. There's an imperfect human driving a 2 ton imperfect vehicle traveling at high speed. You WILL always lose if anything goes wrong, were you right or wrong.

[–] toaster 3 points 3 months ago

Who is saying it's OK to walk blind in front of a car? Nobody is claiming you shouldn't be wary around vehicles because we all know how dangerous they can be. The point is that telling pedestrians to be careful is often a substitute for a complete lack of action on safe infrastructure.