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Poetry

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A community to celebrate published and OC works of poetry.


Welcome to !poetry


Guidelines & Community Rules

In addition to the general rules of lemmy.world:

Published Poetry

1a: Poetry posts should include the title and the author, when the author is known.

O.C. Poetry

2a: Sharing original poetry is encouraged, but it must be preceded by the tag "[OC]."

2b: If an [OC] post is requesting feedback, it should also follow with the "[FB]" tag. It would look like the following example:
[OC] [FB] Nothing Gold Can Stay

Feedback

All feedback should be given in good faith.

3a: All [FB] requests should be met with comments constructive in nature. It is okay to dislike parts of a poem, but make sure to explain why you feel that way.

3b: Feedback does not need to be extraordinary in nature. Simply expressing how a work makes you feel is often enough.

3c: Use the honor system. When you receive good feedback, return it in kind to another author. Everyone appreciates knowing their work is being read and appreciated.

As this community develops, these guidelines may be adjusted.


Formatting Help
Work in progress

To create a line break, use two spaces at the end of a line.

To create empty space, type  . Use four of these at the beginning of a line to create a standard indent.

UPDATE:
Some methods of access do not format markdown correctly. I am currently testing various apps and web interfaces to see what does and does not retain formatting.

In the interim, it is encouraged to post text poetry as you normally would, but to include a link at the beginning or end of the post with access to a website or image that retains the formatting as intended.


Other Poetry Communities
Poetry lovers unite! In the style of the fediverse, multiple poetry communities have arisen, and will continue to rise. I will try to keep a list here of communities across instances that are worth checking out!


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[–] AnarchistArtificer 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The short answer to your question is "I don't know".

The longer answer is that I have wondered this often myself, as someone who is a stereotypical STEM graduate who wanted to understand the humanities more. Related to not knowing what makes a poem a poem is the insecurity I feel about not understanding what makes a good poem.

On my quest to understand this, I learned a lot about metre in poetry and the real interesting thing there, imo, is that all poetry inevitably builds on, or breaks from the traditions of its time, and that what "counts" as a poem changes. I also found I enjoyed reading poetry more as I became more familiar with poetic metre — not just being able to define terms like "dactylic hexameter", but being able to feel it too. For Better For Verse was a fun tool to help practice that. As you emphasise, structure in poetry is more than just rhymes.

However, not all poems that utilise rhythm have metre. Even understanding metre and other structured poetry conventions can only get us so far in understanding free verse. I don't recall where I read it (I'll try to find it later), but I read somewhere the argument that free-verse is just as laden with conventions and tradition as any other style of poetry, but it's comparatively new so our understanding of those conventions is still emerging. That's pretty neat because it makes me feel like I'm on an exciting new frontier, which makes me feel less bad for not understanding what even "counts" as a poem.

The most important thing I have learned though is that although poetry can feel overwhelming and difficult to break into if you don't grok all of this stuff, you have as much right as anyone else to engage with poetry and enjoy it however you like. For every great poem that's conventionally structured, there are countless more that were written in defiance of, or ignorance of poetic traditions. Maybe this is something that you don't struggle with, but certainly I found that I was inadvertently gatekeeping myself; I've enjoyed learning all this stuff, but it wasn't necessary in order for me to realise that I don't need to be able to approach poetry like I'm in English class.

For example, you ask why this would be structured as a poem rather than a short story — there's a sense in which only the poet could answer that question. Otherwise, I reckon the general answer is that framing something as a poem affects how it gets displayed, where it gets displayed, and consequently, who reads it (and what frame of mind). This is a poem because presumably the author wanted it to be read as a poem would, and framing the same information as a short story would lose something of what the author wished to communicate. Looking at it at that angle, it's as if your own question is bounced back at you: how did you know this was a poem, and how did knowing that affect how you engaged with it? If you imagine this as a short story, how would your response to it be different? We have to use our imagination to convert it, because even getting rid of the line breaks wouldn't be enough to convert it to coherent, continuous prose, but perhaps we can pretend for long enough to better feel the impact of the poet's choices.

These questions aren't rhetorical if you don't want them to be — I'd love to hear your thoughts if you have any, because I also can't pin down what "counts" as a poem. I recall the Supreme Court judgement where the justice said they couldn't define what counted as "hardcore pornography" but "I know it when I see it". Poetry is similar, I feel. That doesn't mean we can't attempt to articulate it though, especially because as I alluded to, we don't have to write poetry to be a part of shaping the continuously evolving traditions and understanding of poetry.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

I really appreciate this response. Especially since, based on your description of yourself, I'm in the same position as you were some time ago as a STEM guy trying to broaden his horizons. I don't think I can say much back at the moment, but you've given me a lot to work with here and I am grateful for it