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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages' location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That isn't Hamas though. Their leadership lives it up in Bahrain I think and has a dictatorship over Gaza. Before the pandemic there was a protest by the Palestinians and it was brutally oppressed. Hamas hasn't held elections in a long time.

Don't confuse Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians seeking revenge with Hamas.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying when you have no outlet for justice, you will side with whatever is the next best option. It's what all these harm reductionists say here in the states about voting.

You side with the best of two options, and hamas, even if just slightly, is better for Palestinians than Israel.

I'd be a lot easier to just objectively say "fuck Hamas", if Israel wasn't being their #1 recruitment officer by making life in Palestine and the West Bank hell.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh I don't disagree there. I agree with pretty much everything you've said here actually. I was just saying that Hamas isn't some pure hearted rebellion group. But I do think they are the lesser evil.

[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah I wish more people could have that level of nuance. Hamas suck, agreed, Israel really is fueling them. Imagine how different this would look of Israel stood with the world after October 7th and were peaceful. Suddenly Hamas would have been public enemy #1.

But Israel jumped the shark and used it instead as a pretext for ethnic cleansing.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Their leadership lives it up in Bahrain I think and has a dictatorship over Gaza

They have leadership in and out of Gaza. Which is so obvious I don't understand why Westerners like to use it as a point against Hamas. The political leadership of Hamas needs to be able to negotiate with Israel and third parties, and when was the last time Netanyahu went to Gaza to negotiate?

Exactly.

Also Hamas is both a dictatorship and a group of freedom fighters. Fighting oppression is a good act on its own, but it doesn't need to be done by good people.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Fighting oppression is a good act on its own, but it doesn’t need to be done by good people.

Well said. I just like to differentiate between Hamas itself and the Palestinians freedom fighters, because there is a difference. At the end of the day though, maybe it isn't a distinction that matters a whole lot right now.