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My problem with atheism (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago by platypus_plumba@lemmy.world to c/atheism@lemmy.world
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First of all, I have more in common with atheists than religious people, so my intention isn't to come here and attack, I just want to hear your opinions. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd like to hear from you if I am. I'm just expressing here my perception of the movement and not actually what I consider to be facts.

My issue with atheism is that I think it establishes the lack of a God or gods as the truth. I do agree that the concept of a God is hard to believe logically, specially with all the incoherent arguments that religions have had in the past. But saying that there's no god with certainty is something I'm just not comfortable with. Science has taught us that being wrong is part of the process of progress. We're constantly learning things we didn't know about, confirming theories that seemed insane in their time. I feel like being open to the possibilities is a healthier mindset, as we barely understand reality.

In general, atheism feels too close minded, too attached to the current facts, which will probably be obsolete in a few centuries. I do agree with logical and rational thinking, but part of that is accepting how little we really know about reality, how what we considered truth in the past was wrong or more complex than we expected

I usually don't believe there is a god when the argument comes from religious people, because they have no evidence, but they could be right by chance.

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[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Many atheists are technically actually just agnostics, including me. Agnosticism is essentially the belief of "I dont know for sure either way".

I can't give definite proof that there is no god like entity/ies out there who have designed reality, the cosmos, our planet and human form. However I do know that if they exist they made me with all these doubts and disbelief in established religious systems, and they sure as shit don't need my veneration during my lifetime.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Technically, atheists are mostly agnostic atheists. They are not mutually exclusive. One is about knowledge (hence the 'gnostic' part of 'agnostic,' 'gnosis' means knowledge) and one is about belief (theism is a belief, atheism is the lack of that belief).

I do not believe in any gods, therefore I am an atheist.

I do not claim to know there are no gods, because I do not think that is something it is possible for me to know- I could be a Boltzmann Brain after all, therefore, I am an agnostic.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Being agnostic atheist makes sense to me. I just think the real atheists REALLY believe that there is no god, that the idea of God is false in every sense.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

An agnostic atheist is a real atheist.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

OK then just "atheists" without the agnostic aspect.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those would be gnostic atheists.

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, those are the ones I think take an extreme position about stuff we don't really know. Even having any type of belief seems extreme to me, even if it is rooted in reason. Human reason is just too immature to have opinions about the origins of the universe of the existence of a god.

I think the humble thing is to say "I don't know" without any belief. I don't say religions are wrong, I just dismiss them because they have opinions about things they have no idea about, the same way I dismiss anyone with a belief regarding this matter.

Someone said "... so Santa Claus and Leprechauns, do you also think they can exist? ... ". It's obviously not the same, the origin of the universe is something very deep and ancient. Having any type of opinion about it seems so arrogant. Let's limit ourselves to what we can measure without opinions or beliefs.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

without any belief

Lacking belief is atheism. If you mean 'neither believing nor disbelieving,' that is not possible.