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From Prof. Eliot Jacobson:

Wow! Wow! Wow!

North Atlantic sea surface temperature anomalies are going vertical again. And yes, I needed to extend the y-axis.

Yesterday's temperature of 24.49°C (76.08°F) was 4.2σ above the 1991-2020 mean. The previous high for July 17 was 23.71°C (74.68°F) in 2020.

https://twitter.com/EliotJacobson/status/1681321023306874880

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[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Please keep Elninio in mind.

Climate change certainly plays a big part, but currently Elninio is likely the most impacting thing

I can't awnser @Skyler

Yes, Climate change, as said, plays a very significant role, but Elninio currently makes it a lot worse, the last Elninios where very weak, this one now relatively strong

[–] Skyler@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago

There were multiple El Nino events during the period of 1982-2022 and yet none of them come close to 2023.

[–] guriinii@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is also related to the change in fuels for ships. They banned something that emits aerosols which has reduced the masking effect. And this started prior to El Niño starting. It's likely a combination of the above and some other tipping point shenanigans

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, didn't know that interesting. Thanks

[–] Crismus@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Heavy particulate smog cools the planet. Horrible for people, but has masked how bad CO2 has increased global heating.

As many places have cleaned up diesel fuel emissions, the heating has increased.

The US East coast pollution of the 1970's was a major contribution to the drought in Ethiopia in the 80's. Dense smog blocks ocean evaporation. Chinese heavy smog has been causing a lot of the drought conditions in the western US due to the same factors.

I find it amazing how each Continent causes changes in other Continents.

[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Guess we should cover earth in a nice thick layer of dust for a few years until we solved the climate problem...

[–] anon232@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isnt that what happened in the Matrix and why the world was left in desolation due to the crazy weather that that caused?

Ahhh i don't want to hear about possible consequences!

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

There are people that seriously propose that.

[–] guriinii@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Essentially. We'd have to continue creating a masking effect, while stopping and reducing CO~²~.

I think if humanity joined forces, a united effort, we could fix it, but I think we won't, because of the greedy few.