You claim to hate whataboutism, yet every time someone suggests voting for Harris so Trump doesn't win and thus do irreparable harm to Gaza, to large numbers of vulnerable Americans, to the climate, and to our ability to vote at all, you say "whatabout democrats". Curious!

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Dear Liberals,

Democrats are committing Genocide right now. Trump is not the president. It is not 2016. You can't blame Trump for Demcrats doing a Nazi Holocaust.

Kind regards.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Dear person who refuses to argue in good faith,

First of all, last I checked, Netanyahu was committing genocide, not the Democrats. Second of all, Trump has promised to funnel arms to Israel harder than Biden currently is, and he stands a very real chance of winning the 2024 election.

There are two choices in the United States 2024 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don't vote for her.
Snoozing fascism for four years is better than inviting it through the door now, and buys us time to build our defenses for when it comes back.

I'd like to focus my counterargument. Which of these statements do you disagree with?

EDIT: why am I not surprised that you left a downvote but not a reply?

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

The dude has been told that countless times and obviously doesn’t remotely give a fuck. Makes you wonder why he’s going so hard for months on a strategy that could only result in helping Trump, huh? Sure af wouldn’t help Palestinians or “reform the democrats” as is claimed.

[–] serendepity@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m sorry but short of a revolution (which is unlikely), or slow, measured positive change over the course of decades (which we’d still have to fight hard for), we’re stuck with a two party system and you shouldn’t blame people for sticking with the lesser of two evils. I do agree that Liberals can be heavy handed with their bans, but I guess they’re doing so to keep the discourse focused. Trump is a very real and immediate threat who might commit far more heinous crime if he becomes the president again.

[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago

Policy change comes from people resisting policy with their votes. Abortion is on the agenda because people demanded it with votes. This is no different.

Enough people start demanding it and it will happen. No matter how much politicians want to sell out, they can only do so if you vote for them.