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Veganism is a radical movement. You care about rights of individuals of other species or you don't. There is no middle point as there is no middle point for humans.
And there is no problem with that. Reminder of etymology of radical.
Veganism is also not about humans in the sense of focus of getting rights, it is the minimum we as humans must do as moral agents for individuals of other animal species.
Other thing is that violating human rights is incompatible with veganism, which I think that is your focus.
I think you are confusing concepts with animal welfarism, (maybe a language barrier?), but I point you to take a bit and check "welfarisms laws towards animals" in your country and the movements associated to it and what they claim.
Pointing ways to kill pigs without suffering, massive free cats genital mutilations (or even paid by taxes for domestics cats living in the wildness) are measured classified as animal welfarism and no, this is not veganism and this is the official definition of that.
About your "symbiotic" approach I dont get what you mean.
Individuals from other animal species have their own lifes and is not for you to decide what you think they could benefit them unless you are taking care of some of them as tutor (not even master or owner but think of it like you being legal guardian of a child who cannot communicate with you unless is refered to basic things) and even as temporal because of their situation in society (literally law defines them as goods with autonomous movement, when not refered to dogs and cats ofc as speciesm is applied even at absurd level of being absurd).
I disagree, but I can feel the radicality of a newly converted in your words. Newly converted often come from carnism and it took them a form of trauma or sudden enlightnement to take the step. Often, after that, they are very radical, hating the world for not making the same choice they did. For being blind to the horrors. Then they learn that their radical approach is toxic to the cause and thus to the animals in the long run.
I have been vegetarian for 33 years, and then vegan for 7 years, and my parents taught me antispeciesism when I was a child. I've grown my whole life (40 years), knowing that I had a different take on things than most people. I had a lot of time to think about it and I acquired a lot of experience talking about animal rights. I learned over all these years that you cannot convince anyone with radicality. And so does L214, the most prominent NGO in France for animal rights. No radical French NGO made any difference, except for the few dozens they actively saved, while millions were dying every day meanwhile.
Even if the end goal is abolitionism, having a moderate approach, and pushing for welfarist laws are pratical ethics in action. They improve the life of millions of animals, help the public to understand the issues, and simply make you audible. Screaming your hatred at the world will just make you look odd and you are helping no animal that way. None. In fact, I dare say that radical veganism is even counterproductive because it scares people away. People that would cease to be part of the problem and even people that could convince others to stop being part of it. Domino effect.
I recommand that you read Singer's book on Henry Spira's life and methods. I recommend you read Full Spectrum Resistance. This might teach you a few things about convincing people and defending a cause.
Regarding symbiosis, organisms, including animals, can live together and be mutually beneficial to each other. Do you think your microbiota is taking advantage of you? Is it exploiting you? In a way it does, because it manipulates you and influences your psyche. Yet, you would die without it. You feed it, and it keeps you alive. Do you see where I am going? Sure, the microbiota is not sentient but you are. And you are the one being exploited, if we stick to your definition of exploitation.
We can't abolish slavery right away, baby steps are necessary. We need a more moderate approach.
In fact, I dare say that radical abolition is even counterproductive because it scares people away. We need to push for better treatment of slaves, and not alienate the slaveholders.