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The Nazis locked up religious leaders. And if you think only Fascists can attempt coups by procedure or mob then you have a lot of history you need to go read.
Nobody here is trying to deny how horrible it would be to have either group in charge.
You begged the question of why don't I think they're fascists which is a political philosophy and ideology question. So yeah, without writing a 20 page paper, I think we're cooking up something we haven't quite seen in modern times.
I think it's going to look a lot like what's happening in Israel right now. Likuud has had a lot of help and mentorship from the GOP over the decades. In many ways they've had a freer hand to influence politics over there. And we can see they're ranking pretty transparently. It's Orthodox Jews, Mainstream Jews, Loyal Arabs, Palestinians. Ranking in the US is going to be based on race, then religion, then labels. Which is a different hierarchy than normal Fascism or Nazis use. So a black evangelist wouldn't be sent to the concentration camps as long as he's loyal. Whereas in a strict race or chosen enemy system, he'd be going to that camp.
This is what happens when you beg that question with someone who studied politics in college.
“Fascism” does not necessitate throwing people in camps and gassing Jews. By any of its classical definitions, they’ve married the concept of governmental authority and economic authority. They use a myriad of nonsense to spin narratives, and as you allude, in a new scene, nothing has to be consistent. What is consistent is their fealty to one man, and money. They’ve worked at this for a long time. I personally enjoy american civil religion as a thought point. Especially when you bring up Israel, twisted-ass nation. Is it simply “authoritarian theology” too? Russia has got to just be straight up fascist, right? Theyre literally a mob state. I see little difference between Russia and the Republican dream for America
Russia is interesting. Unless there's aspects I'm unaware of they're not fascist. They're authoritarian but far more like a direct rule monarchy with a bureaucracy and a facade of democracy. Their ideology is whatever helps Putin maintain control.
And yes I used camps as a metaphor. There doesn't need to be literal camps to oppress people.