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Well, it is the next holocaust, so it makes sense that people are discussing it at length. It'll probably be one of the biggest topics future history lessons of this era will cover, which is saying something, considering how fucked up this era is.
Just look at the user's post history if you actually want to understand what I'm saying
Think of how much people talk about 9/11, then realize that well over 10 times as many people have been murdered so far in Gaza. OP is doing everything they can to draw awareness to a tragedy - that's a good thing.
Imagine if people had been more willing to call out the terrible practices of Nazi Germany, instead of just keeping their heads down and trying to convince themselves that it's someone else's problem that they have no need to concern themselves over.
Posting 4-5 times every day on a website isn't something to be lauded. I mean even if that's all they are doing, which it's not.
I've witnessed this user claim repeatedly that anyone who challenges them at all is a Zionist, supports/loves genocide, etc.
The real issue is that they are constantly encouraging people to vote against Democrats, which shows they aren't sincere, since anyone can see that would only help trump, who explicitly wants to help Netanyahu exterminate Palestinians
If all they were doing was posting true articles about Israel that would be fine. Obsessive but fine. It's not all they are doing. For example:
https://lemmy.world/post/18634532
Posting as much as you can about something that everyone needs to be acutely aware of, regardless of how "icky" it makes them feel is absolutely something to be lauded. I admit that I didn't know the other stuff about OP, but the fact of the matter is that you didn't complain about ragebaiting on a ragebaiting post, you complained about someone talking too much about an ongoing holocaust on a post that specifically focuses on the ongoing holocaust. If you want to complain about the other less-exemplary facets of this user, feel free to do so on a post that isn't pointedly focusing on the - and I repeat - ongoing holocaust.
You aren't interested in understanding. You are interested in the same shit as op: "making a point"~~by accusing people of essentially being Nazis~~ for daring to challenge you. If you read that thread you will see a lot of people have noticed what this fuck is up to. And rage baiting is only part of it
Edit: I re read and the Nazi part of my sentence was not entirely accurate. But I do think it's unfair to assume I'm trying to stop information about Israel from flowing just because of where I commented about the user
I never once accused you of being a Nazi, nor did I allude to doing so. What I did accuse you of was being just like the German citizens during Nazi Germany, who closed their eyes and plugged their ears while their fellow human beings were being slaughtered.
You can admit to not having the power to stop a holocaust, but don't you dare think that you deserve the luxury of ignoring it. It needs to be on everyone's minds every day, if for no other reason than to be thankful that they were fortunate enough to not have been born into the group of people being arbitrarily culled.
The only reason you're not being murdered - wondering why nobody helped, nobody cared - is because you aren't among that group. The least you can do is continue to keep it in your mind while it's still happening.
So, I just edited my comment and then saw this one. Dude you don't need to lecture me about this. I never once had an issue with the actual content in this particular post. I have an issue with this user because they are doing bad things. I've tried to make that clear but you won't hear it. Not on me.
A post is separate from the user who posted it. This post is meant to point out the tragedy going on in Gaza. It doesn't matter if OP was the one who posted it, or anyone else. Hell, it's a clip from Twitter anyway; the words aren't OP's in any way - they're just sharing them.
My point is that if you want to get mad at someone's negative traits, that's fine, but this post in this context isn't negative. Your original complaint wasn't about OP's ragebaiting, or their habit of calling people Nazis for disagreeing with them, it was about their incessant posting about the ongoing genocide at Gaza, which - again - isn't a bad thing.
Everyone has good sides and bad sides, and you chose to complain about OP's good side, then attempted to justify your complaints by pointing out the fact that they have a bad side, which isn't showcased here, and is thus irrelevant.
I think context is an important part of taking in information but I'm just weird like that apparently
My complaint is that it's suspicious to post 4-5 times every day for nearly a year on the same topic nearly every single post. You're aggressively ignoring my point.
I'm not ignoring it, it just doesn't make any sense to be annoyed that someone keeps bringing up the fact that people are dying every day for an unjust cause. It's why I accused you of wanting to ignore it - because that's the type of person that benefits from less reminders of the ongoing murders.
Yeah I'm sure the extreme obsession they have comes from a good place and they're accidentally encouraging votes for trump coincidentally
It's not an extreme obsession to think every day about an ongoing genocide. In fact, any less is unwarranted apathy. OP's other traits are less benevolent, but they aren't showcasing them here, so, again, they're irrelevant. If OP had mentioned even once that someone should vote for Trump in this thread, I'd agree with you, but you're the only one bringing it up here, so in this case, you're the problem.
What you seem to refuse to want to acknowledge is that the only reason I say any of this here is that I've remained silent after reading thousands of their posts and seeing the bad behavior more times than I can count.
There were even discussions this week between lemmy.world mods about whether to ban them from the instance. From what I've seen they absolutely should've done that, but given that they didn't, it's feeling impossible that they ever will be so yeah I wrote some comments trying to call them out.
Never once was it my goal to approach it this way but nothing else has worked. Reporting them for being toxic a dozen times has done jackshit, mods themselves agreeing with everything I'm saying here hasn't either. What would you suggest I try? Assuming you can accept I might be right about any of this.
Reject bad behavior when you see it. That's all you can do. In the same way that we need to draw attention to the holocaust over and over even though we know it likely won't stop it, we need to point out bad behavior over and over again even if it doesn't stop it. But don't point out bad behavior when there's none to be seen - that just weakens your argument.
The fact that I told you I tried that and it didn't work just flew in one ear and out the other. I meant it when I said I give up.
The fact that I said you need to keep trying even as it doesn't work clearly flew in one ear and out the other for you.
Okay, in the future I will know not to engage with you. If your position remains firm that as long as he claims to support Palestine, that I must believe him (despite a lot of contrary evidence) and keep my mouth shut, we've nothing to talk about
You can't change someone else's behavior, you can only control your own. The results are the ends, but the means are more important.
There was never any indication I was trying to change their behavior. It was pretty self explanatory that I was making others aware of it. Something they apparently give zero fucks about.
This is more the behavior I was talking about. You can't force the mods to do anything, all you can do is try, and continue to do so even as it continues to yield no meaningful results. Just like those pointing out the tragedy happening in Gaza understand their incessant posting isn't likely to change anything besides building solidarity with those who are suffering. But again, when people agree with the message behind a post, they aren't going to join you in brigading against the person posting it, even if he may be posting it for unscrupulous reasons.
At the end of the day this post didn't get anyone to vote for Trump, but it got people to think about Gaza just a little bit more, which is a good thing. If you want people to add their voices to yours crying out for OP's ban, you need to draw attention to it in places where they actually did something people will get upset about.
I noticed that you haven't posted thousands of times on any given topic. I would assume that is more because you're not an obsessed weirdo with an agenda, and less because you don't care about the bad things happening on earth.
You're right, I'm not doing all I can to raise awareness of the ongoing tragedy. That's my bad side - feel free to complain about it. I should be doing more.
Jesus Christ. I've done everything I can to show I'm not complaining about the post itself. I give up.