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I've read that standard containers are optimized for developer productivity and not security, which makes sense.

But then what would be ideal to use for security? Suppose I want to isolate environments from each other for security purposes, to run questionable programs or reduce attack surface. What are some secure solutions?

Something without the performance hit of VMs

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[–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (17 children)

It is the application Docker that is not secure. Containers are. In fact Docker runs a daemon as root to wich you communicate from a client. This is what makes it less secure; running under root power. It also has a few shortcomings of privileged containers. This can be easily solved by using podman and SELinux. If you can manage to run Docker rootless, then you are magnitudes higher in security.

[–] piezoelectron@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Do you think Podman is ready to take over Docker? My understanding is that Podman is Docker without the root requirement.

[–] mosthated@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Related to this: van podman completely replace Docker? I.e., can it pull containers and build containers in addition to running them?

[–] boo@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It can pull and build containers fine but last time I tried there were some differences. Mounts were not usable because user uid/gid behave quite differently. Tools like portainer dont work on podman containers. I havent tried out any networking or advanced stuff yet.

But i found that the considerations to write docker files are quite different for podman.

[–] dragnucs@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Differences you find could be related to containers being run rootless, or the host system having SELinux enforcesd. Both problems could be intended behavior and can be soled simply by using by adding correct labels to mount points like :z or :Z. This SELinux feature also affects Docker when setup.

Portaiers tries to connect to a docker sock path that is not the same with Podman. While podman is rootless and does not need a daemon, socks and stuff, it has support for them nevertheless. So you can simply adjust Portainer config to work with podman. I havnt tried it yet but I managed to do similar things for other software.

[–] mosthated@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Gotcha. I use docker containers on computing clusters at the University, but because of security, I have to convert them to singularity containers. That is okay, but I was hoping that by running podman I could prevent this extra step.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Podman supports dockerfile, right?

[–] Tiuku@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Unlike docker, podman doesn't try to do everything on it's own. There's a separate tool known as buildah which builds containers from dockerfiles just fine.

Ps. More generally, they're called containerfiles.

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