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Telstra, Optus to delay 3G network closure amid public safety concerns (www.abc.net.au)
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[–] TinyBreak@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Better allocation of spectrum is not just for social media. That’s like saying nbn was not needed as what we had before was fast enough for email.

Kind of disagree. NBN didnt cost network to deploy. Well, kind of but kind of not. What does faster netflix mean to someone in a fringe 3g area when we upgrade their 5GN that they cant get anyway?

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wow, really, because my copper line with a dedicated power source to be always on is now gone from my house.

Irrespective of the nbn, dismissing bandwdth increases as unneeded as peoples internet use doesn't meet your standards reeks of tony Abbott complaining about nbn as gamers would waste more time online.

[–] TinyBreak@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I dont think you "get" it. I'm saying people are going to be cut off. 5g simply doesnt reach as far, its coverage range is greatly reduced compared to 3g or even 4g. And there is no solution for that. the telcos sure as shit arnt gonna go out there and build a bunch more towers for no one except a koala or 2 to regularly use. We're cutting the service to a not 0% of the population.

This might be fine in Europe, But not a large country like us.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

get it. I dont think we should dismiss using more bandwith as pointless.

I also think its unreasonable to expect a private company maintain an unprofitable portion of the network. If we wanted coverage like that, it should be part of their licence to ensure its like for like. I dont know stats in Australia but I known in the USA which is more deregulated than here, they are building .ore towers to maintain coverage.

We are a big country, but as much as the stereotyoe is bush, we have more people in urban areas. That doesn't make us smaller to provide coverage but I'd be surprised if we aren't building more towers too. Anybtine there ISNA switch in tech, there will be winners and losers. We need to ensure more winners than losers.

Dismissing the improvements as unnecessary or unhelpful doesn't lead to constructive discussion.

[–] yistdaj@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

While I agree that increased bandwidth is crucial, I'm not so sure about leaving so many people and remote areas cut off over this. Especially as each generation of technology has shorter range (and therefore more expensive to service). Each generation of technology will have more people cut off, and I think there are implicit fears that one day, it will be them.

Maybe those fears are wrong, but it seems you're just as dismissive of these fears as people that dismiss future benefits from greater bandwidth.

Also, I don't know about looking to the US for inspiration, they also have a very large digital divide, largely based on the wealth of the local area.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, I think those feats are real and grounded too. I dont dismiss them. However, I look at the evidence and it says that more towers are needed and more are bing built.

We also now use WiFi for calling as a backup for phones. Reallocating spectrum leads to increased distance (even if less than 3g).

The reality is that remote towns will still be covered. Truly remote areas never were and will remain that way. We have in increasing amount of satellite coverage options opening up. Is it cheaper and more energy efficient tonusr that in the bush? Are repeaters rather than handsets viabke?

I'm not dismissing the points. I'm pointing out that there are two sides and that by saying one side is pointless, if it isn't, is not arguing in good faith.

[–] yistdaj@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

Ah, I must have misunderstood, sorry. Rereading your first reply to TinyBreak I see that now.

[–] TinyBreak@aussie.zone -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So you’re not an Aussie? Cool ok so you’ve got no idea what this country is like. That makes sense.

[–] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol, no. Like most if this country, I live in a metro area.

Unlike the USA which has a higher percent living rural or in low population density areas. Its juatbthat we alsonhave a lot of empty space.

Even if I wasnt Australian, my point would still stand, so all youre doing is showing the weakness of yours.