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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It was not an alliance, they were not in the Axis

It was a detente that allowed Germany to focus its military expansion into Poland and France without fear of a Russian counterattack.

If you want to really bust balls, you could easily argue that America was a German ally, given how influential Ford, IBM, and Standard Oil were in getting the German war machine off the ground. But that's something of an argument for M-R, as Russia wasn't in a position to fight a war with both Germany and America (any more than Germany was able to years later). German expansion into France ruined its relationship with the US and allowed the Soviets to broker a deal with FDR. And the rest is history.

Shit, the first thing that happened between them after the invasion of Poland was the Winter War where Finland was supplied by Germany

That was a bit more complicated, as it was initiated by the Russians with the intent of installing a Soviet-friendly government as a buffer zone around Leningrad. The war ended in Russian defeat and - after Germany broke the non-aggression treaty - very nearly cost them Leningrad as a result.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

if you want to really bust balls, you could easily argue that America was a German ally, given how influential Ford, IBM, and Standard Oil were in getting the German war machine off the ground.

if you follow that logic, then Krupps started WW1 and WW2.

But actually, well, they kinda did. Read: The Arms of Krupps.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

But actually, well, they kinda did.

The hard truth about war profiteering

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The war ended in Russian defeat

The Winter War did not end in Russian defeat. After initially getting slapped around by Finland, the USSR committed more troops and forced Finland to concede to all of the Soviets' initial territorial demands (and more).

[–] AutoModerator@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You two are going a bit two deep responding to a clueless teenager-level attempt at humor that gets published by that site.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Stay out of the way it’s about to get physical.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Thanks for the ducking ear worm

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

You expect me to pass up an opportunity to pontificate upon the Winter War? As if!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Pyrrhic Victory, then, given the costs. It did not meaningfully improve their security, as Leningrad was under siege by the Germans shortly thereafter.