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[–] MortyMcFry@aussie.zone 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m still seeing too many ‘No’ people wanting more than a voice, like treaty. Why can’t we have both? A no on this one is going to push treaty back further.

[–] shermozle@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are wreckers. They didn't engage with the extensive, inclusive process that came up with the path forward.

Voice. Treaty. Truth.

In that order. "More" is explicitly required and this is the first step.

Please, please, please read the Uluru Statement From The Heart. It's one page.

[–] MortyMcFry@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

This dialogue needs to be in the media more. Shame it’s just all about “polls” increasing the no vote.

Politics before people every time.

Vote yes is the only true choice

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess it can go both ways - it can either put it back further because people rejected it, or it could lead to further discussions around a better solution (with hopefully more details given before being asked to vote).

At the moment it seems we're voting yes or no on a title of "the voice" while being told we don't need to know what the voice can actually do.

[–] c15co@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is exactly what happened with the Republic referendum. People didn’t like the model, so they voted no. It’s been 24 years since that referendum and in that time there has never been a conversation around a different model.

The public said no, so no politician wants to touch it.

If you vote no, treaty will never happen.

[–] billytheid@aussie.zone -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No it’s not. In fact it’s not specifically because of the Republic referendum. People just won’t take responsibility for their laziness or inability to read a simple document.

The simple truth is that Australians are mostly racist.

[–] c15co@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Im not sure I understand your reply.

My point about the republic was that if people say no to the Voice because it doesn’t go far enough, will end up killing the conversation that could become treaty. Just like the republic conversation died with the 1999 referendum

[–] billytheid@aussie.zone -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point is that the people who vote no because they’re gormless bigots vastly outweighs those who do do over structural concerns.

[–] Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the indigenous people telling everyone to vote no are bigots and racists?

[–] billytheid@aussie.zone -2 points 1 year ago

Can you read? Seriously, reread that comment you’re replying to