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Olympic Diversity (lemmy.world)

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[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Albanians, Romanians, balcan people in general suffered a lot of discrimination (and to some extent still do) as there were huge migratory waves in the '90s, and they are all white

Are you doing a semantic argument about this, or...? Sure people from the Balkans can be 'white', but how the fuck does that mean there's no racism involved? Because sometimes rich white people also target white minorities? What the fuck is this take?

The American racial dynamics are completely different from european ones.

What? What even is this argument? We're a global society, people move around constantly.

I would say that European immigration policies are xenophobic, but it doesn’t have to do with skin color or with racism.

What are these takes, honestly? It's not racist, it's just about their... being not white? (Or being from a different land)

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Are you doing a semantic argument

Yes, if you wish. The difference between xenophobia and racism. If there is no racial motivation and there are extensive demonstrations of discrimination against people of "same race" (you minimize with "sometimes", but this is not sometimes, balcan migrations were The Migrations until 20 years ago), then what's the point of calling it racism?

What? What even is this argument? We're a global society, people move around constantly.

And? This has literally NOTHING to do with what I said. In Europe something like black lives matter (and the reactionary all lives matter) do not exist because the societies are different. There are different minorities, in different amount, with completely different societal issues, history etc. Reading all the world though the lens of american society just doesn't work.

It's not racist, it's just about their... being not white? (Or being from a different land)

If you don't get the difference between racism and xenophobia, consult a dictionary. They are two words with 2 different meanings. The general discrimination of "other" people has to do with protecting your wealth (or tradition, culture, etc.) and with classism.

[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In Europe something like black lives matter (and the reactionary all lives matter) do not exist because the societies are different.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The movements are basically nonexistent. Have you read your own article? Have you read the part where in the 4 (out of 27?) countries studied there were completely different issues pushed and dynamics happening (look at Poland vs Italy)?

Also the article is from 2021, and mentions that the movements is at the beginning. Is the movement still active? Are the issues the same as the main BLM?

You really think that googling "blm in Europe" and posting the first (and only) article you find is a gotcha? Jfc..

[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also the article is from 2021, and mentions that the movements is at the beginning. Is the movement still active? Are the issues the same as the main BLM?

How is that relevant? The same fucking issue was protested all over the place. Hell, even my fellow punks are still at it.

Since June, the group say “racist scenes” on Sylt have increased attacks on refugees and asylum seekers after a clip of Germans chanting the Nazi slogan “Germany for the Germans – foreigners out” in a nightclub went viral.

The fight is the same, the location is the difference.

[–] sudneo@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago

How is that relevant? The same fucking issue was protested all over the place. Hell, even my fellow punks are still at it.

All over the place -> links article mentioning protests in Germany.

I really don't know how to be clearer than this:

Europe is made by many countries. EU is made by 27 of them alone.
No, it was not "the same fucking issue" being protested. Issues (including racism against) with refugees and systemic racism in US are different things.
The BLM movement is nonexistent in Europe. The fact that in 2020 - in response to a specific event - there have been protests in solidarity is not an argument against my point. Which is very simple: US and Europe have different problems in this area. In Europe a movement like BLM, which is fundamentally linked to police violence against black people didn't develop because that is not a major issue in Europe. I used this as an example to show how different the racial dynamics are different.

The fight is the same, the location is the difference.

There are commonalities, but it's very different. You are only taking Germany, where the battles are different from France, where they are different from Italy, and where in general these have to do with immigration and handling of refugees. In US a lot has to do with systemic racism within the society. They are two different things. Of course there are also racist people in Europe, no shit. The point is that racism is not institutionalized in the same way as it is in US. Since the conversation initially was about immigration policies, not random people, then this matters a lot.