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[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

We can only hope that literally being the ones to be involved in counting the votes and seeing the results for themselves first hand is enough to get them to accept reality.

A long shot, but if these people genuinely believe that there was election interference and they aren't simply looking to knowingly commit fraud, there's a chance they might acknowledge the facts in the end if the results really are just undeniable.

Edit: This American Life did an episode back before the 2020 election about an election administrator who basically made it his priority to make the process as transparent as possible so that election deniers could see under every stone and explore every nook of the process.

And I think it both speaks to the power of transparency as an antidote, but is also a bit sad how this guy bends over backwards to accommodate these people and is still treated with suspicion. Really interesting listen and highlights how fair elections really do rest on the shoulders of these lower level workers.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately only a handful of these people will be swayed by minor details like "evidence", the rest are just Trump cult members

[–] retrospectology@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Potentially, yeah, I'm not exactly pinning all my hopes on it or anything, but I feel like even with the people who are fully in the cult, a lot of them are mostly just kind of dim and easily manipulated. They're ordinary people laboring under a lie, not necessarily the people who actually fabricate the lies themselves intentionally (though some of them certainly might be that type, as you say).

It creates a short circuit in the system when those ordinary people have the direct access to the truth without Fox or Trump or whoever else being able to act as a middleman and spin it. It's harder to lie to yourself when you're the one faced with the decision to tear up the ballots or whatever they would have to do to make things fit their world view.

I don't think people are all good, most are a mixed bag at best, but I do have faith in average people to admit the truth to themselves when it's presented to them in a way that they can accept it. With some those conditions under which they'll accept it are just especially extreme.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

We can only hope that literally being the ones to be involved in counting the votes and seeing the results for themselves first hand is enough to get them to accept reality.

They weren't put into their positions to accept reality. They were put there to deny reality.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

We can only hope that literally being the ones to be involved in counting the votes and seeing the results for themselves first hand is enough to get them to accept reality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_Brothers_riot