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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think arguing that the Dems are fighting against the literal fascist party is a sign of them fighting not taking part in xenophobia.

It's absolutely not. The Democrats were always going to fight the Republicans regardless of policy, because they want to be the ones in charge.

If I'm like a warlord conquering shit for my own gain, and one of the places I conquer happens to be full of assholes, that does not prove that I have some kind of ideological commitment against being an asshole. In the same way, the Democrats' road to power happens to involve winning elections against Republicans, but they don't get credit for pursuing their own self-interest.

As for the points you mentioned, it's true that they have relaxed immigration policy in some areas, but my criticism still stands - Biden wants to give the president power to unilaterally shut down the border, people are held indefinitely in camps, and he also put limits on the number of asylum seekers. Your assertions to the contrary are simply false. Since your claim was that they don't engage in, or even fail to fight xenophobia "in any way" it's not enough to just show a couple points in that direction, it has to be a consistent policy.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Points out what you're saying isn't true

"Okay but it's still indefinite and he wants to close the border"

As I addressed, both of those are false, but if you would like to ignore the truth and retreat to your comfortable talking points where you can pretend the Dems only want to do good things to fight the Reps then go ahead.

What you're forgetting is that Indefinite Detainment, (which lasts usually until Trial, on which case they go to a real prison or are deported) only applies to literal terrorists and cartel members, and that the Biden "Closed Border" Policy only applies to illegal between-port-of-entry immigration, legal immigration through legal ports of entry is still completely allowed under this policy, and has several exemptions for humanitarian concerns.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

"Only applies to" so you admit that it is, in fact, happening. So when you say, "Points out what you were saying isn't true," and "both of those are false," you're just brazenly lying and contradicting yourself.

You're not going to convince me that trusting border cops to indefinitely detain whoever they feel like, so long as they accuse them of being a terrorist first, is in any way a good idea or not xenophobic. I don't give a shit about the distinction between "legal" and "illegal" ports of entry either.

[–] Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You can't say you don't care about specifics when the specifics specifically refute what you're saying.

You can ignore the difference between legal ports of entry and the rest of the border, but the entirety of border law is built upon this difference, so ignoring this difference immediately makes you irrelevant among all professional discussion of the border. There's also a massive difference between closing the border and closing the border in areas where it can't be regulated, which is what the Biden administration did, the border is not closed.

"Border Cops" aren't the ones doing the investigations into Cartel and terrorist group members, that would be DHS. There's a massive difference between DHS getting the name and identity of a terrorist, putting them on a list, their name coming up to Border Control at the border, and then Border Control holding them until DHS can investigate, and "every immigrant is detained indefinitely with no lawyer in terrible conditions" which was your original claim.