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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Can Wind and Solar Solve Climate Change? (foreignpolicy.com)

submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by eleitl@lemmy.ml to c/collapse@lemmy.ml

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"The fact that renewable energy is failing to decarbonize the electricity sector may surprise many readers accustomed to breathless reports of the rapid growth of renewable energy around the world. What Christophers means by this, though, is that while renewable energy is growing rapidly in many places, these increases are not even keeping up with global growth in the demand for electricity."

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Solve by themselves? No. Be a part of the solution absolutely.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

As long as the other part consists of dramatically reducing per capita energy and resource use. With all implicit consequences.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Not if we don't use them.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago

The point being made in the article is that there is no meaningful substitution, just additional generation, while the total emission volume is still growing. At least, until the fossil extraction falls off the cliff, apparently out of the blue.

[–] dexa_scantron@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

We're using them. The problem is they aren't replacing fossil fuels. Instead of a polluting coal plant, you have a polluting coal plant and a bunch of solar panels and wind turbines that were manufactured, transported, built from mined substances. It's better than building another coal plant, but it's not solving climate change. Power demand grows to use the available supply.