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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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Let's build a tower of nonsense on top of numbers we vibe with and pulled out of our ass

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So let me get this straight.

I'm unreasonable because I think there's a less than a 1% chance of a machine god torture-simulating and/or grey-gooing everyone. But if some enlightened gentleman thought there was a 3% chance and was like "wait hold on guys let's consider building the machine god anyway it sounds kind of neat" then that would be completely rational.

Edit: this video is a lot more fun to watch if you mentally replace AI with a pack of adorable (and very well trained) puppy dogs.

[–] curiousgene@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just realized that some if these guys are cosplaying as mentats. They’re wanna-be Muad’Dibs. (Or maybe Muads’Dib.) They’ve got Herbertian brain worms in addition to their Heinleinian worms.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago

I came to the same realisation about longtermists a couple months ago. They absolutely think they're Leto II taking the hard decisions to implement the Golden Path. They are so fucking dunepilled.

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

as someone who was pretty involved in mtg as a youth it's been disappointing to see people I admired (or in some cases - not this one - knew) drift rightward or into cults. but it feels absolutely bizarre to see one of them get niche famous for culting

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

mtg = Magic, the Gathering ?

[–] carlitoscohones@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago

In this case, yes. Today I learned that there is a Magic The Gathering Hall of Fame, and this guy Zvi is in it. Another weird coincidence is that the first big crypto exchange (MTGOX) was built on a Magic The Gathering website.

I used to read this guy Liron on Twitter and interacted with him a little bit. He would sometimes seem logical, like when tearing apart crypto nonsense, but sometimes make dumb or disingenuous arguments like he does in this twitter thread.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago

It's not even "GIGO" with these people. "Garbage In, Garbage Out" implies that the process between input and output is legitimate at least. They're not trying to make justifiable decisions in the face of incomplete information, or detect inconsistencies among their own beliefs, or anything of the sort. They're just emitting math-shaped noises to bolster their own egos and further insulate their cult. They use language nominally about changing one's beliefs in order to keep their own beliefs locked in place.

[–] acausal_masochist@awful.systems 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I am even more worried if you think that reducing things to single dimensions is a necessary prerequisite for making decisions about them!

This is just the standard accepted way to make decisions. There being only one future to hypothesize about implies a one-dimensional quantity in the analysis.

Never let me work with this person

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Fucking probabilities, how do they work?"

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

P(Doom) is calculated by however you were feeling that particular morning.

[–] jotaemei@awful.systems 2 points 7 months ago

I keep wondering if they’re playing a long gag. How else could it wind up being so similar to the longer-existing PIDOOMA?