this post was submitted on 17 Jul 2023
18 points (100.0% liked)

Australia

3613 readers
86 users here now

A place to discuss Australia and important Australian issues.

Before you post:

If you're posting anything related to:

If you're posting Australian News (not opinion or discussion pieces) post it to Australian News

Rules

This community is run under the rules of aussie.zone. In addition to those rules:

Banner Photo

Congratulations to @Tau@aussie.zone who had the most upvoted submission to our banner photo competition

Recommended and Related Communities

Be sure to check out and subscribe to our related communities on aussie.zone:

Plus other communities for sport and major cities.

https://aussie.zone/communities

Moderation

Since Kbin doesn't show Lemmy Moderators, I'll list them here. Also note that Kbin does not distinguish moderator comments.

Additionally, we have our instance admins: @lodion@aussie.zone and @Nath@aussie.zone

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

If independent consultant model doesn’t work

What are some good alternatives? Or just create a government auditing agent to continue monitor such contracts and hold them accountable?

top 6 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] Yendor@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Government departments could build up internal teams of experts. (They already have this in technical fields where then Big 4 don’t have expertise.) But government pay is crap compared to these giant corporations, so the best will be scooped up by the private sector while the less impressive employees stay employed for life in government.

To make it work would require a different system to what the government has now. A system with merit-based remuneration and much simpler hiring-and-firing.

(I say this as someone who originally worked for the government, then moved to the private sector.)

[–] beaumains@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

We used to do this I believe.

Many moons ago, the government used to hire real experts. Economists, biologists, physicists, business people who know how to do business bigly.

Now we just outsource decisions to one of the big four or just cut the crap and ask the IPA to write the policy.

[–] hikarulsi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Would you kindly elaborate on the merit-based system? Are you referring to it being applied to regulate the consulting cost or it is to attract high skill employees for the government to replace the consultants?

[–] Yendor@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The APS pay scale defines the salary of everyone working for the federal government. Your pay is determined by your level. Your level is (mostly) determined by how senior your are in the Organisational Chart, and the OrgChart basically shows how many people work under you. So the only way to earn more is to manage more people. This results in people who are highly skilled in a subject matter doing middle-management instead, because that’s what happens when you get promoted. It simply reinforces the Peter Principle, resulting in a hierarchy where no one is doing the job they are best suited to. In the APS, you can’t get to $100k without becoming a manager.

https://www.apsc.gov.au/remuneration-reports/australian-public-service-remuneration-report-2021/chapter-3-base-salary

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

Private companies don’t do that. If you’re very good at something, they can pay you well for it, they won’t force you to take on management just to get a raise. It means people can do what they’re best at, and you can attract and retain the best people to fill the roles you need.

I’ve worked with engineers on $200k+ working under a supervisor on $110k, because the engineer is highly skilled in a particular technology, while the supervisor was a graduate who got their MBA a couple of years after graduating and are working their way up the corporate ladder.

[–] hikarulsi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for the great detail.

You are right, requiring one to be at management level to increase pay is a waste of talents and waste of taxpayers money.

[–] palarith@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

The chaser boys have already explained it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M7SzS_5PlQ