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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

I was elected to sneer not to read so I'm not spending 23 minutes on that. But I do wonder if you could refurbish large parts of this blog post to argue that masturbation is murder (when cismen do it). One counter argument against this is denying the full moral status of the semen.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

Gee, one might almost think that EA was hostile to women.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

MORE POSTS LIKE THIS

What I thought about child marriage as a cause area, and how I've changed my mind

lol

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

A long time ago somebody sneeringly called themotte an 'empathy removal centre', and it is good to see EA is picking up the torch.

[–] sue_me_please@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao I thought this was satire

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The opening line is... certainly a phrase.

I have been working on a research project into the scale, tractability and neglectedness of child marriage.

Later:

Some studies even showed that child marriage was associated with more positive outcomes, such as higher contraceptive use

Ummmmmmmmmm

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The fucking table really got me, like, what an absolutely mad idiot.

And then I see this reply.

I notice you have a table collecting and assessing possible harms from the practice but no similar table collecting and assessing possible benefits. In deciding whether to fight against some practice shouldn't we want to figure out the net effect - benefits minus costs - rather than just costs?

Given how widespread the social phenomenon is, surely there must be some benefits?

( Something something Chesterton's fence...)

Near as I can tell, the people who think it's terrible are in large part motivated by largely-false quasi-Mathusian claims related to "overpopulation". If we set those aside, younger brides tend to have more kids; all else being equal we should assume those kids have lots of extra QALYs (that wouldn't otherwise exist) and also presumably make their parents happy. Are those married as children happier adults on average than those not? How do we balance a claimed higher risk of physical abuse against, say, a lower risk of ending up childless or alone or financially insecure?

Food for thought.

[–] Bradley271@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

( Something something Chesterton’s fence…)

Y'know I wasn't expecting to see any award-winning arguments when I clicked the link to see the 'full' version of their post, but I'm still a little surprised that literally all the reason they gave was "something something Chesterton's fence." That's just pathetic.

One of the least studied rationalist tics is “as far as I can tell, most people who believe X is bad think so because Y reason which nobody has ever brought up, but which I find easy to disregard”

[–] outer_spec@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Near as I can tell, the people who think it’s terrible are in large part motivated by largely-false quasi-Mathusian claims related to “overpopulation”.

somehow this person has gone their entire life without ever hearing about the concept of "conesnt"

[–] self@awful.systems 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is a good case that abortion is morally impermissible – or at least there is significant moral uncertainty.

it’s actually kind of rare that one of these loses me in the first sentence (cause TESCREALs don’t know about brevity so usually their point is buried under an avalanche of words) but here we are. the only people who can’t imagine a morally permissible abortion just don’t give a fuck about women

[–] maol@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

Moral uncertainty is reason to become pro-life? We do morally uncertain things every day. That's no reason to legislate.

[–] AcausalRobotGod@awful.systems 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But what's their opinion on pornography/masturbation?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 1 year ago

increases existential risk, obviously

now, child brides