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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 94 points 8 months ago (19 children)

All it takes is enough people choosing not to participate in a clearly two-party system , and we have Trump for 20 more years.

Go ahead, do your protest vote. Vote your conscience. Whatever you call it.

Yeah, we need a better voting system… but we don’t have one at the moment.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 63 points 8 months ago (12 children)

Ranked choice voting FIRST, then you can do your protest vote.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 37 points 8 months ago

Exactly. Get rid of this ridiculous electoral college and make every vote count.

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[–] Daxter101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I don't think you're wrong per se, but maybe, maybe, a political party should have to serve its voters' interests to get them to vote it, instead of relying on the other guy being a ghoul to gather fear-votes and blackmail-votes from those it ignores.

Not an American, but given similar experiences in my country (Greece), I absolutely do not blame them.

Our right wing politician just got the most popular re-election and standalone election statistics, and the only reelection-higher-than-first-election numbers, in our country's political history.

And everyone hates him.

I'm going to over-over-simplify, but the reason for those numbers, is that our left has failed at serving the rights and interests of the people, and then has been cannibalising itself, getting corrupted, and losing members for at least 15 years.

If a system is so corrupt that it doesn't take care of its citizens, they're naturally going to stop caring and supporting it. The ghouls will take over, because ghouls thrive in corruption better. 100%-Hitler will win, when his only opponent is 75%-Hitler, because 100%-Hitler is actually liked by some part of the populace.

This kind of fattening-of-the-ruling-class has been the way almost every single empire has weakened itself into collapsing over time, in human history.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago

We need to trim the fat, so to speak. But that takes revolution, and—Americans—can’t agree on where the fat is.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I’m going to over-over-simplify, but the reason for those numbers, is that our left has failed at serving the rights and interests of the people, and then has been cannibalising itself, getting corrupted, and losing members for at least 15 years.

Yet another country where this sort of thing happened: A feckless, corrupt, out-of-touch left loses to a douchebag on the right that everyone hates. It happened in the US, it happened in Argentina, and it keeps on happening in Britain, and I'm sure there's a bunch of other countries I'm forgetting.

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[–] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 81 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This article was written by Jeff Charles. A podcaster and political contributor who has appeared on fox News and Newsmax. He's also anti sensible gun control, transphobic and believes being trans is just ignoring biology, believes that schools should ban books that have "ideology" in them (anything queer), thinks kids are being indoctrinated just because it occasionally comes up that there are different ways of being a person, says he's an anarchist but will say libertarian sometimes to avoid "making people think he's crazy" but just doing that shows that he doesn't actually understand what anarchism is (or how crazy some libertarians are), and also talks about how the left wants Americans to be dependent on the state (all social programs). He's also on point for some things, specifically things that most libertarians ascribe to, like fuck cops and anti drug war. But like most libertarians, he only believes in his "do whatever you want and leave me alone" mentality when it lines up with his personal beliefs.

I don't disagree that there are black voters who are frustrated with the dems, but this is not a very good article and is written by an ass who has to push the idea so he can continue to be brought onto Fox News and Newsmax to talk about it and so his site gets new subscribers. Subscribers that have to pay 50 bucks a year for his premium content. Which I'm honestly surprised doesn't cost more. He's also partnered with Doni Anthony who has his own site/substack, which when you're on the landing page, the second article is, well, it requires subscribing and I'm not gonna do that. But it's about a bill called the Inclusive Democracy Act of 2023 which is about restoring voting rights to people with criminal records/felonies who have done their time, the article is about the "hidden" reason the democrats support the bill, which is a far right conspiracy that average voters would never vote for a democrat so they have to make new voters to be able to win. It's all baseless conspiracy stuff and is the same thought process for the "illegal immigrants voting" conspiracy.

The point is that an article is only as reliable as the author is, and this author is just crap.

[–] Hypx@fedia.io 34 points 8 months ago (17 children)

The poster of this article is almost certainly some kind of troll. If not a Russian agent, a fascism sympathizer. If you look at his posting history, it is almost entirely about attacking the Democratic party and Biden. Even when he is "pro-progressivism" it is usually in the form of a concern troll.

As a result, everyone should ignore return2ozma. And it's probably time to block him entirely. Also, report him for being a troll, since he breaks the rules on a regular basis.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

If not a Russian agent, a fascism sympathizer.

Even when he is "pro-progressivism" it is usually in the form of a concern troll.

I have observed the same pattern with other users who are pro-Trump and pro-Russia. They would claim to profess an ideology and say they don't support Russia and Trump, but then put their heads into the sand and pretend Trump and Russia did not do anything wrong.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah. He's the second "both candidates suck" account I'm having to block. Seems like posting to generate voter apathy which helps Trump.

[–] Hypx@fedia.io 19 points 8 months ago

Saying "both sides are equally bad" is a common tactic for those who want the bad side to win.

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[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 34 points 8 months ago (18 children)

I work in construction, and there are several black co-workers of mine that support Trump.

Idk why it is so hard for media to grasp that there are chuds of every race.

[–] Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Construction is just a circle jerk of vocal trump supporters and people too concerned about being astrocized by their coworkers to speak up. Right ring identity is peer pressured onto people that don't pay any attention to politics. It's all just jokes and games to these idiots

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[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It is not unusual for decent workers, outnumbered by right wingers, to go-along-to-get-along to keep their asses out of unneeded troubles.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Nah dude. Plenty of non-white workers saying bigoted shit all the time.

People need to stop attributing morality to skin color

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Fans of misogyny work in construction? 😱

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Democratic Party has been gradually losing support among racial minority voters over recent years, a trend that has garnered no small level of attention in the political sphere.

Several other polls have confirmed that this paradigm shift remains in full swing as nonwhites gradually veer away from the party they called home.

Yet while the GOP will undoubtedly pick up a higher percentage than it has in the past, that doesn't mean that an exodus to the Party of Lincoln is in the offing—especially when it concerns Black Americans.

In February, folks like Turning Point USA's Charlie Kirk and other prominent Right-leaning figures decided it would be a good idea to attack Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the 1964 Civil Rights Act during Black History Month.

Entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy also came under fire for employing rhetoric about the Black community that was reliant on stereotypes and almost wholly devoid of solutions.

While more Black folks are seeing that the Democrats have no intention of doing anything meaningful to give African Americans a fairer shot, it is not as if they have a home with the GOP.


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