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Turns out Helldivers 2 uses a real life game master. (www.pcgamer.com)

submitted 8 months ago by ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world to c/helldivers2@lemmy.ca

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Arrowhead has been curating the game with a Game Master named Joel. Everyone thank Joel for giving our missions that human touch.

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[–] ifGoingToCrashDont@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There have been some sudden moments where maybe one planet was too easy or one was too hard and [Joel] had to get up in the middle of the night.

I laughed out loud that they woke this poor dude up in the middle of the night. Like how did that conversation go? "Joel! EMERGENCY! POPLI IX is too hard! Wake up and fix it!"

Jokes aside, I think it's awesome they have a game director who can influence the story in real-time to keep things interesting.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I have always been hoping for an mmo where the devs in real time control the story and respond on the fly to player actions or planed reactions. I hear tales of emergent story telling only in ultimate online and eve online. I am interested in where this takes hell divers 2

[–] t_berium@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Exited, no... Super exited where this will take us.

I just hope they fix the armor rating before the war goes nuts.

[+] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world -6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Okay let me make sure my tinfoil hat is properly fitted….

This game has a root kit for anti cheat in a co op game. Everyone talks about it on day one, then goes “oh but its a good game so we dont care anymore”. Then they announce there is a guy employed specifically to manipulate players games as they play.

This doesn’t set off any major alarm bells for anyone? Has this practice just been normalized by one fucking game??

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I agree with you and everyone trying to downplay the significance of Anti Cheat kernal access is misinformed to not think its concerning. My solution is, I only have games on my PC that don't use anti cheat all the anti cheat games I have on a ps5 where you have no web browser to spy on.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Thats pretty much it - dont buy it, or have a specific machine with no personal info on it thats only used for video games. It’s incredible how readily people give up full access to their OS and hardware control and just trust an arbitrary company. Have we not been spied on enough? How many times does this lesson need to be taught? Gee wizz, I sure hope “Joel” can’t manipulate anything beyond the game itself and this company is trustworthy.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You think updating an online game should set off major alarm bells?

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You have essentially given kernel level access to a games company. That’s a line no software company should ever cross. Then they acknowledge they employ someone to actively manipulate the game as you play. There’s only one more small step to complete intrusion that you will never know about. But hey, do as you will, it’s your computer, your info.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Is this your first time experiencing anti cheat?

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Dude most anti cheats dont need kernel access. This is a relatively new and very shitty practice.

I’m trying to warn the frogs but damn they’re already boiled.

[–] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Warning people about kernel level access is valid. Nobody is disagreeing with that end point. Everyone is taking exception to the wild logic you used to get there as well as the fact that you didn't read the article.

[–] Broken_Monitor@lemmy.world -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I didnt read it? Pretty sure our boy Joel can manipulate the game server wide or get granular enough to give a specific player power ups. They don’t say he’s trawling through your browser history or personal files, but you make a wild assumption that they wouldn’t when they can. When other companies are desperately mining our personal info by any means necessary I’m not about to think that opening the gates for a game company would be any different.

Now, technically, GameGuard is owned by a separate company, INCA. Maybe you trust that the Helldivers crew isn’t accessing your machine, but do you trust INCA too?

If GameGuard / INCA is ever compromised are you prepared to have your PC accessed by a malicious actor? You’ve handed this company the keys, so let’s hope they’re good at guarding them. You’ll only know after its happened, and these companies tend to wait a few weeks or months to announce when they’ve been breached.

[–] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

I'm responding only because I think your insanity is amusing, btw.

I didnt read it?

Clearly you didn't read the article.

Pretty sure our boy Joel can manipulate the game server wide or get granular enough to give a specific player power ups.

HOW did you come to this conclusion if you actually read the article??! READ THE ARTICLE PLEASE. NB: do not confuse "Planets" with "individual matches" because they are not the same.

the rest of your novella of a comment

My brother in Christ. Nobody thinks this level of invasive bullshit is a good thing. You don't have to keep explaining the part we all already know.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you explain please for the feeble minded such as myself how one is related to the other?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We'll you see because I know what a kernal is, I mean I've heard about it recently, and I also read that it's a bad thing to have access to, I've equated any changes that can be made to anything in a program as horrible, too. If you give a dog a steering wheel he'll chase the ambulance, you know what I mean? Hold on this foil hat is melting into my hair.

-OP

[–] BobGnarley@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Lol I agree he was a little alarmist about the wording but you acting like full kernal access is nothing is part of the problem he was talking about. Don't downplay it.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Obviously not you pleb. He is clearly pointing out the fact that having a multiplayer game with anti-cheat driven by the vision of one person is step one in the slow decline into autocracy. Haven't you ever read 1984?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I hope you're being sarcastic

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The inability of people to understand sarcasm without an explicit tag is mind-boggling. How hyperbolic do I need to be? Should I relate Tetris to the authoritarianism of the Cold War? I bet a lot of y'all ask questions and get referred to the previous email, don't you?

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's why I asked, man. I saw it but with that other guy being serious I wanted to make sure.

[–] MiltownClowns@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago

I kind of used you as an opportunity to get on a soapbox. I wasn't annoyed at your question. I was annoyed at the other people down voting me clearly missing the joke. Apologies for using you as an example.

[–] asymmetric@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago

Then they announce there is a guy employed specifically to manipulate players games as they play.

Wrong. Read the article before you make stupid comments.