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I Just Wanted To Save My Game - Aftermath (aftermath.site)
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[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I understand both sides. Busy people love to save their game at any point in time, as they might get interrupted. But I also understand the point from the devs and I also like it sometimes when I cannot save constantly. Obviously both sides could now be less stubborn. Busy people can just pause the game and resume later to just exit the junction and the devs could implement a quick save feature.

Dear game designers, how about you let the user decide what they like most, a very easy or hard game? Usually with difficulty settings, only damage/health numbers get modified. But you could also enable quick save in easy mode, and disable it in hard mode. Take a look at the difficulty settings of Grounded. Easy to implement and you automatically reach a bigger user base. And while we are at it, busy people sometimes cannot play games for a longer time, let’s say 4 weeks. After 4 weeks I have forgotten all the controls and game mechanics again. TV shows play a recap if a new season comes out. You should do the same. A super short introduction of what happened story wise and how the controls and game mechanics are working.

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

There are definitely technical reasons why saving mid-run is a lot more complicated. With Pacific Drive, right now when you save, it'll save:

  • the state of your car - this will likely be done by looking each individual "equipment slot" the car has, assigning them a number, assigning each possible upgrade for that "slot" a number/letter, and storing its damage state (which is probably just a scale of 1-5 or whatever). So the game will store everything about your car in the format off "slot x, upgrade type y, damage z", which can just be three values.
  • your quest state. The game won't remember what quests you've done or how you've done them in the way that you remember it - it'll just store that you've completed quest step 14a and that 14b is your active objective.

It makes for a fairly simple, small save file. Being able to save mid-run would add a lot of complexity because it'd need to save a complete map state, including:

  • the map layout
  • your position in the map
  • the enemies and hazards in the map - their positions, states, etc.
  • what's happened already in the map
  • the loot in the map, and whether you've collected it or not

And so on. Not only does it massively increase the complexity, it would also increase the size of save files a lot and make saving and loading a lot more cumbersome. And that's just a simplified breakdown; there are definitely other factors that can make it much, much more complicated.

There are definitely some games where "easy mode" save systems could be implemented without much changing on a technical level, but I don't think Pacific Drive is one of them.

[–] all-knight-party@kbin.run 3 points 8 months ago

Makes a lot of sense, though I'd say that implementing a "save on exit, delete upon resuming" should be a higher priority than it usually is in games that like to restrict saving. Having to stop and do something else might mean a lot of wasted time, and I think that not being able to drop an anchor point to come back to would be a possible dealbreaker for some and really hamper enjoyment of the game for others.

There have been a good few games where I wanted to play them, but didn't because I wasn't sure I had the time to make real progress, or that I'd make real progress, but have to stop just before a save point, and lose it all. It can mean that an otherwise great game gets left on the shelf in favor or something that better respects my time.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Difficult but very doable. I mean this is a solved problem and there are many solutions, very much a huge blunder to not do that from the start.

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The steam deck's pause-on-power-off has been very convenient for games like this

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

I've seen people do this thing with window managers for Linux

[–] ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It only let me read the first paragraph, which is a bummer because it looked like it was gonna be interesting.

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] ReplicantBatty@lemmy.one 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Thanks! Just read and it's a downer, that game did look pretty cool but the save system they're talking about would be a deal breaker for me too, I don't have tons of uninterrupted gaming time.

[–] Pechente@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if they’re gonna fix it in a patch. Lots of people are complaining about it.

[–] Fisk400@feddit.nu 5 points 8 months ago

They have stated that they won't due to technical reasons.

[–] Templa@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

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