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Polls say Trump would struggle against Biden where Nikki would have a much easier time, and frankly in Haley v Biden my money is on Haley. Putting Trump in prison would be good for democracy, but I am also seeing a trap card.

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[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nikki Haley agreed with the ruling that embryos are people, that should be enough to kill any chance she had with dems or moderates.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

She did, but don't forget moderates ability to completely forget about human rights when the woke left will take away their gas stoves and hamburgers.

But let's be honest, any explanation is just shooting in the dark at this moment. Just look at the polls. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

Haley leads Biden by 16-18 points when Trump leads by 2-4 in some polls. Looking at some of the others Biden leads by small margins, but most all of them Haley fares better than Trump.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Fivethirtyeight is still around? I'm surprised they didn't just absorb it or abandon it after firing Nate & all the good writers.

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

Bought by abc. "Site" is still there, but redirects and so far doesn't have the same quality of content. BUT to be fair "poll tracking" just might start until primary close.

[–] meant2live218@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait, Nate Silver isn't part of it anymore? Well that ruined any reason for me to pay attention to it.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Not only that, the election models belonged solely to Nate and not the company. So they fired him, and lost what he used to make them famous.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Trump won't go to prison before the election. It would be seen, wrongly, as manipulating the election. There's enough idiots that would think this for it to be avoided. Just like how they courts are treating Trump with kids gloves.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It's manipulating the rule of law to point to the election... Not that the GOP care about that kind of thing - the Dems barely do.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

I agree. She's gambling on Trump becoming disqualified so she can try and range her place. Just remember that she's not a moderate by any factual means, including her own stated alignment. She's only "moderate" cats Trump moved the bar so far into insanity land that now not being overtly fascist is enough on the right to qualify as "moderate."

[–] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

Trump's legal troubles are exactly why a failed candidate will say they're "suspending" their campaign. Every leading candidate is a single bad day from falling out of the lead (like, plane crash or sudden jail term) and Haley and DeSantis are praying nightly that something finally sticks to Teflon Trump.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Haley will be out after Tuesday. She can't survive losing her own home state by 20+ points.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Trump will not be sent to prison. Appeals will not finish before election no matter the timeline.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I feel like anybody who was an "anybody but Trump" voter, i.e.: anybody sane, would naturally turn into a "anybody but a Republican" voter post-trump. After all the fascism, and support they gave Trump it would be insane to see any Republican as more than scum.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago

I wish that was the case.

So many anybody but Trump folks really are just turned off by how he's crass and rude. Mass deportations, destroying democracy, stripping the rights from minorities, and cozying up to dictators do not count as being crass or rude. Basically "can we please keep things professional, Adolf?"

[–] throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 8 months ago

I'm pretty sure there are lot of moderate conservatives that hate him Many of them wouldn't vote for him as he seems pretty fascist. But I'm not sure the rest of the republican party is quite so insane if you remove him from the equation

[–] Pratai@lemmy.cafe 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago
[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

It's like rock, paper, scissors only with far more dread

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Pawn advances. You lost. 😬

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

How do I lose? There are no kings. 😁

[–] ClusterBomb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 months ago

Fair point. 😆

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Harry Potter?

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

E4 is a light square, illegal move.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

It's a kinged knight.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Do you think Trump will drop out if he’s imprisoned?

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Nothing says you can't be the president from jail apparently

[–] Wilzax@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where the holy hell are the kings

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago (2 children)

We got rid of them in 1776 🦅 🇺🇸🇺🇸

[–] LemmysMum@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And replaced them will Capitalist Billionaires.

[–] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] winky9827b@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Thought that was the cRooks.

[–] jigsaw250@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

As someone who plays regularly, the no kings are super bothersome, but God damn do I love your response.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Trump isn't going to prison before picking a nominee.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I think in a Haley/Biden contest Biden still comes out on top.

About half of her supporters are never-trumpers. I'd bet that at least that many Trump supporters won't vote for her without any more outside influence. And I think there will be a lot more outside influence if Trump isn't the nominee in any scenario short of his death because he will poison the Republican voter base against her more that he already has.

Prison would unfortunately not be disqualifying