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[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Much of that involves building dedicated rail so that passenger trains don’t get stuck behind freight trains. Indeed, it looks like Via is going to do that — at least on the Windsor–Quebec City corridor, where 96 per cent of Via trips take place.

I think this is the key? I can't help but think Via is forever fighting the battle with one hand tied behind its back. In theory, if it's not going to be a high speed service, it should at least be price-competitive with intercity buses as rail is a more efficient form of transport. But bus companies don't have to lease the roads from companies that can raise the rates the minute they start to show a profit, or prioritize freight on those roads. If they owned their own lines, they could legit start offering reliable, high-speed service.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If they owned their own lines, they could legit start offering reliable, high-speed service.

If we owned the lines, you mean? Then we set the priority, and the maintenance and budget and operating history is all open; and more is spent keeping it running and less on CEO bonuses.

In which universe is cross-country daytime shipping truly the priority anyway? Only to the shipper's bottom line.

We have transportation and highways; why is this ministry not in charge of rail and wires?

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

That's fair, yeah. To have a truly level playing field between buses and trains, the rail should be a public resource just like the roads.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty bad. There are countries where taking a train between cities is an experience akin to taking the bus between neighbourhoods. But we've made it more like the experience of flying, with baggage limitations, infrequent trains, expensive tickets, and dumb limitations on what you can bring onboard.

I long for the day I could go Ottawa-Toronto by simply swiping a card, walking onto the platform with my bag slung over my shoulder and my doggo on his leash in the other hand, and stepping onto the next train, and finding myself any seat which is available.

Instead there's convoluted checks where I need to weigh my bag, put my dog in a crate, and buy my ticket a month in advance to get a reasonable price, and getting an assigned seat. Literally nothing about the logistics of train travel necessitates such a high friction experience.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think your examples are some ways VIA Rail could get much, much better. At the same time, I'd agree with the article, the train isn't as bad as it's reputation. It's still pretty bad, but driving into downtown Toronto or to YYZ is awful, so for me the train often wins.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think GO does more right, but it is regionally limited and infrequent.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Regional rail is quite a different service than intercity rail though. It's like comparing intracity buses to coach buses.

I do think Via could take some hints from GO though, and in certain areas, there's probably demand for something in between (like Ottawa to Montreal).

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

There's no reason the experience of taking a VIA train couldn't be more like the experience of taking a GO train, anywhere in the QC-Windsor corridor. The only reason it isn't is because our governments invest in road infrastructure instead of rail infrastructure.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, as always defining what's good and what's bad is a waste of time. It has a LOT of room for improvement, at the very least it should own the tracks and be able to prioritize its own trains as it sees fit. HSR is a faraway dream at the moment, even in the Windsor-QC corridor where it's so obvious it hurts.

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

BTW it looks like the advocacy done by Paige and Reece has been paying off:

https://mstdn.social/@RM_Transit/111965322141778470

[–] nbailey@lemmy.ca 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The problem in my opinion is the focus on branding Via around "luxury" travel. As nice as the comfy seats are (even for the cheapest econo fare), it really should be more like GO in terms of being cheap, "boring," and fairly reliable. Euro-trains have very basic bus-like interiors, and that's really where we need to be. Make the trains boring, fast, reliable, and cheap.

The funny thing is, high-speed rail actually has a much lower op-ex than our sluggish system. The biggest expense (other than building the system) is the cost of labour for staffing the cabins. The energy costs are pennies per passenger, the trains need very little maintenance (compared to a jet aircraft), the tracks need even less (again, compared to roads, runways, etc), so the real op-ex cost is just having human beings on it. A train that goes twice as fast pays out half as much human-hours per fare, so it starts to make sense why JR's Sinkansen, SNCF's TGV, or Renfe are basically the only forms of transport that are actually cashflow positive once externalities are considered. ("free" access to roads, free pollution, subsidies for air travel, etc)

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The problem in my opinion is the focus on branding Via around "luxury" travel.

Outside of a relatively small part of this country's geography, that's pretty much all it can be.

Nobody is expecting it to be competitive or high speed between Vancouver and Edmonton. Or between Winnipeg and Regina. Or St John's and Montreal.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Outside of a relatively small part of this country's geography, that's pretty much all it can be.

Yeah, by geography. However, by population, Via Rail could be relevant to vast majority of Canadians. Over 50% of our population lives in the Corridor alone.

Nobody is expecting it to be competitive or high speed between ... St John's and Montreal.

Crossing part of the Ocean isn't really doable for a train?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

Crossing part of the Ocean isn't really doable for a train?

You can take a train from London to Paris...