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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.

[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]

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"glowfic" apparently. written in a roleplay forum format.

This is not a story for kids, even less so than HPMOR. There is romance, there is sex, there are deliberately bad kink practices whose explicit purpose is to get people to actually hurt somebody else so that they'll end up damned to Hell, and also there's math.

start here. or don't, of course.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

From a downvoted comment:

Because players aren't sure where a story is going and can't edit previous sections, the stories tend to be plagued by pacing problems- scenes that could be a paragraph are dragged out over pages, important plot beats are glossed over, and so on. It's also very rare that players are able to pull off the kind of coordination necessary for satisfying narrative buildup and payoff, and the focus on player character interaction tends to leave a lot of necessary story scaffolding like scene setting and NPC interaction badly lacking.

If your goal in writing this was in part to promote or socially explore these utopian ideas rather than just to enjoy a forum game, it may be worth considering ways to mitigate these issues- to modify the Glowfic formula to better accommodate an audience.

Yud's response:

We are both experienced authors not in need of this advice at this level.

<no words, no words, they should have sent a poet.gif>

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago

Scenes that could be a paragraph are dragged out over pages

Amazing that this can be applied directly to HPMoR, which doesn't have the defense of "glowfic".

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Editing? Where we're going, we don't need editing!" - Absolutely not Eliezer. Too succinct.

In my pursuit of clarity and precision, the art of composition itself becomes a meticulous process of refining ideas. Each word is a deliberate stroke, contributing to the coherence of thought, rendering traditional editing superfluous. The absence of formal editing is a deliberate choice, reflecting the belief that the initial act of creation captures the most authentic expression of my intellectual journey.

Now that is what yud^1^ might say.

1: By Yud I mean a 99.9% accurate simulation of Yud using ChatGPT, which, according to rationalist doctrine, is the same thing.

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago

Ooh, there’s an idea. Train a LLM on his logorrhoea, output to a variety of places (as often with his face on a profile as not), and watch the little man twist himself up as he tries to position being okay with it while also really hating that it’s happening

[–] sc_griffith@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

god he's so stupid, sometimes it staggers me

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I should have listened to the content warning because literally everything the main character (I shall call him Math Elk) says or thinks is completely insufferable rationalist buzzword babbling. Couldn't make it past two pages.

It wasn't an auspicious start when he gets on the plane and immediately treats a social interaction with a woman like a dang financial transaction. OK kept reading, maybe the main character comes from the planet of weird insufferable nerds on purpose.

It got unbearable when Math Elk did nothing but spew nonsense at Carissa and she seemed weirdly OK with it despite not being a weird nerd. Couldn't maintain suspension of disbelief.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They've gone from math pets to math woodland creatures now?

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wait math pets?? Tell me more. Are they cute? How can I get one? Will a math pet sit on my desk solving all my everyday algebra problems for me? How cute are they when trying to figure out excel formulas?

Update: I looked up math pet and it was not at all what I had envisioned.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago

Update: I looked up math pet and it was not at all what I had envisioned.

welcome to Awful Systems! here's your advil

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago

I think that's roughly the idea, except replace "desk" with "penis".

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago

So if you read Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, and thought...

I did read HPOMR and I also thought!

"You know, HPMOR is pretty good

OK, I didn't exactly think that. But go on.

so far as it goes; but Harry is much too cautious and doesn't have nearly enough manic momentum,

Dunno about Harry, but the story as a whole could have done with some momentum, manic or otherwise.

his rationality lectures aren't long enough, and all of his personal relationships are way way way too healthy."

Nobody in their right mind would ever think any of this.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

thankful that you need to sign up using a google account or email to read, this will shield more people from the radioactive glowfic

Edit TOO LATE there's a Tvtropes page: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Roleplay/ProjectLawful

[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

tvtropes

The reason Keltham wants to have two dozen wives and 144 children, is that he knows Civilization doesn't think someone with his psychological profile is worth much to them, and he wants to prove otherwise. What makes having that many children a particularly forceful argument is that he knows Civilization won't subsidize him to have children, as they would if they thought his neurotype was worth replicating. By succeeding far beyond anyone's wildest expectations in spite of that, he'd be proving they were not just mistaken about how valuable selfishness is, but so mistaken that they need to drastically reevaluate what they thought they knew about the world, because obviously several things were wrong if it led them to such a terrible prediction.

huh

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

and moreover, wat

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

The case for turning glowfic into Sequences

Eliezer stopped writing Sequences and probably cannot write more. This is a combination of Eliezer's chronic fatigue syndrome and being tired of trolls / bad takes in comments. The only medium he can write in without being drained is glowfic. Thus, even though it's a non-serious format, glowfic is Eliezer's main intellectual output right now.

what your donations of ETH buy

If Eliezer can't write nonfiction because of trolls and bad takes, won't turning glowfic into Sequences just make him stop writing glowfic?
No, I asked him.

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

many people I know who got more from HPMOR read it carefully, perhaps stopping after every chapter to think about the goals and motivations of each character and predict what happens next

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A free full-cast Audiobook of Planecrash is currently in production [,,.] using AI-generated voices.

maybe we, as a species, deserve what is coming to us

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

So this is how the acausal AI god chooses to punish us. Huh.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And yet my crossovers of Daria with The Sandman, They Live and the Amelia Peabody series all remain without a TVTropes presence. Where's my uncritical adulation?!

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

i saw Adult 4chan Man and felt existential risk

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Reading a bit of this page convinced me to never read this Isekai into hell story from Yud. It isn't even that im against edgy hell themed stories I mean Dante Alighieri did it well, and the planescape setting in dnd is not bad imho (it does have the same devils/demons split as this story so very original Yud). But the rest reads just as tiringly 'Lesswrong nerd out rationalizes DnD rules'. Using a specifically crafted sentence in a wish spell to get antimatter bombs to destroy a fort which protects the 'makes you a god/kills gods' stone.

(I don't mind people who do enjoy it btw, it just screams very not for me)

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Ok, I tried giving it a fair shake, and I guess it's got the same problem as every other forum roleplay: it's fun to roleplay, not fun to read someone else's roleplay.

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Why do both Scotts and Eliezers pseudonyms end with 'ain'? Yvain and Iarwain.

Edit: and small frustration what is up with the lack of timestamps? I know the internet is getting worse and worse with those replacing the 'posted at 22 feb 2022' with 'posted 1 year ago' things (as predicted in the transmetropolitan), or just having sites autoupdate the timestamps to seem current for the google ranking (saw a '2024' guide which in the text still talked about 2023 and had a mid 2023 timestamp, so somebody messed up a script there). But no timestamps at all is a bit odd, the only timestamp I saw was 'Jan 19, 2024, 3:29 PM' and that looks suspiciously like 'now'.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Fake answer: at some point in rat history they thought that Armenian people were genetically superior and decided to take traditional Armenian surnames as their handles, but they both simultaneously and serendipitously bungled the spelling. The names should actually be “Yvian” (pronounced yiv-yahn) and “Iarwian” (pronounced ee-arh-wee-yahn)

Real answer: probably a tolkien elvish name idk

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] swlabr@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could it be that Yud read about Bombadil, thought, “man it’s a good thing this dude is with the good guys, or middle earth would be screwed” and then decided to spin that into a technocult about AI?

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

Bombadil is a fat dude living in splendid isolation with a beautiful woman, unconcerned about the evils of the wider world. Perfect ideal for Yud.

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

what is up with the lack of timestamps?

For mysterious reasons they've screened off their own past.

There are hidden timestamps, remove the ".post-footer { display: none; }" CSS from the page and they should appear, but yeah keeping timestamps from us is the worst I want to know when stuff went down.

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[–] swlabr@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

More like… Project Awful

^boom^ ^roasted^

[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

2022, so there's a good chance this is now abandoned and half-forgotten?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

Last post in the collection of threads about this is April 2023

[–] fasterandworse@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

this story takes place in a totalitarian state ruled by the literal forces of literal Hell

Look, I'm giving it a go but the very first line of the content warnings is a case of "is this written by a grown man or a 14 year old emo kid"

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

is this written by a grown man or a 14 year old emo kid

yes

(the MC is jughead from Riverdale lel)

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 1 points 10 months ago

It's actually kind of an achievement that in the ultra-saturated Isakai genre they've managed to set a new standard in repulsive premises.

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