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For those in the know about privacy laws and the such. What is a proper response to reddit's claim that they cannot remove all the information associated to an account without first the user removing (media.kbin.social)

submitted 1 year ago by Doll_Tow_Jet-ski@kbin.social to c/RedditMigration@kbin.social

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As the title says, Reddit replied to my GDPR request to delete all my data saying I had to do it first, which I suspect is in violation of GDPR law.

Reddit's argument is that to comply with GDPR, they just need to dossociate your account from your posts, so the latter cannot be traced back to you. However, the argument could be made that the posts themselves are enough data to be linked to you.

Is there any type of response that could be framed in legal terms to make reddit really remove all the content from my account?

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[–] BrikoX@vlemmy.net 12 points 1 year ago

Contact your Data Protection Authority and file a complaint.

[–] Grumps@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm no lawyer, however, having gone through this a couple of times as a service provider this is my understanding:

GDPR and similar laws cover data which the provider has gathered about you and may have been shared with third parties.

Generally, user generated content is not covered under GDPR requests. Any content that you chose to post which is self-identifying was posted at your discretion.

The best examples of where this must be true are mailing list archives and Git reposities. E.g., the email address you gave to GitHub on signups and the email address that you attached to a git commit may have been the same, but only one use case provides for GDPR protection. Mostly.

In practice there's a lot of gray area in GDPR and privacy lawyers often have to find the inflection point somewhere between clearly covered and clearly not covered.

[–] Doll_Tow_Jet-ski@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got it. Thanks for the explanation

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As psychopomp pointed out this is wrong. (Or at least, "unsettled" - meaning that unless you are sitting on big pots of money and are happy to pay up to the gov't if the courts decide against you - you should play it safe.) See https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/34112/Updated-Reddit-is-quietly-restoring-deleted-AND-overwritten-posts-and#entry-comment-140833 - for what it's worth, folks from pre-Musk Twitter who looked into this issue determined that tweets basically did fall under the GDPR.

[–] Doll_Tow_Jet-ski@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

for what it's worth, folks from pre-Musk Twitter who looked into this issue determined that tweets basically did fall under the GDPR.

That's interesting! It does set a precedent. I'm just going to have to wait for a European class action against Reddit. I hope someone with time and money in their hands takes the initiative.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm. I wonder though - could follow BrikoX's suggestion. Might be the case that you don't need a lawyer or to spend any money on it, instead the gov't org will hear complaints from lots of redditors (or ex-redditors) and then send its own lawyers in. If so, then these folks will be using public money from taxpayers and of course they got the time - it's literally their actual job. (Of course I speak in generalities and maybes because i don't know the system in every single EU country and it likely varies somewhat between them.)

[–] HouseMouse@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's untested whether this is legal or not; it's in a legal grey zone. Try to find an online script to help you delete all your posts. Alternatively turn the question to your national agency which handles GDPR compliance.

[–] CaptainPatent@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the API shutting down, I believe there is no longer an automated way to delete all content. I would focus more attention on the latter suggestion.

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

With the API shutting down, I believe there is no longer an automated way to delete all content.

Actually, the API hasn't shut down. It's just you get a bill if you go over 100 api calls per minute, but existing scripts like github shreddit can be easily modified to include a builtin delay to prevent that from happening. Alternatively you can pay shreddit.com $15 to do this for you and not worry about it (they use their own API key i figure though I don't know the specifics, but I imagine they have a setup that prevents them from going over the limit as well).

I rushed in a bit of a panic to get all of my stuff deleted, not even waiting for the response to my data retrieval request (see https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/65260/PSA-Here-s-exactly-what-to-do-if-you-hit-the ) before I realized this.

[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Be patient, if you want your content deleted you will have an efficient way to do it soon. Don't count on reddit to do this for you. It seems we have enough access to the API to do it ourselves.

[–] Doll_Tow_Jet-ski@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would be this efficient way that if coming soon?

[–] abff08f4813c@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I mused in the past that scripts like Power Delete Suite might work as they simulate clicking a button and such on old dot reddit dot com instead of directly calling the API. (Technically they are indirectly using I guess as old reddit uses the API internally but so what - is reddit going to suspend their own API key for going over the limit?) Someone just needs to figure out how to a) modify PDS to be able to accept the archive data and b) longer-term work with the new reddit desktop website instead of relying on old reddit, which a lot of us don't trust to stay around forever.

[–] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

I don't have a solution to your question, but I started deleting my account annually so that it was harder to track me, spy on me, and sell my information.

Before I started doing that, I had an account with 900,000 karma. When you asked for your account to be deleted, the Reddit automated response was 'Are you sure you want to do this? After one month, all of your content will be deleted.' And that's what happened. If I look on reddit, my posts were gone. On google, I could find people mentioning my username but not any actual posts by that account.

TLDR: They used to threaten you with deleting all of your posts, and, based on my experience, they did exactly that with my old account.

It's kinda funny to see them flip to threatening to keep your content.