Lemmy

Personally, I'm subscribing to the belief that the fediverse's attribute of "true censorship is impossible" is a benefit, not a curse. Every prior example of censorship has just morphed into "advertiser palatable". Which is bad for everyone.

More than happy to have access to instances that will take the kind of drastic action you're suggesting, access to my own "block" function, etc. Let them come.

The fediverse will inevitably host some messed up stuff. Counting it a blessing that those people have a clear place to go to and sequester themselves off.

So ultimately? More than happy to have an instance that agrees with this extreme anti-censorship posture. Sh.itjustworks is fine in my books. I can block the community, just like I could block subreddits on Reddit without abandoning the whole platform. Hell, even write a script to block everyone who's subscribed to the community. The power is yours now, and nobody can take that away. That's the fediverse.

Maybe you should switch to beehaw. I think they align more with your interests

I just preemptively blocked the community for my account. I'd recommend everyone do the same until, and if they prove to be a problem.
I think instead of calling for pre-blocks or defederation of entire instances, we have to be vigilant and keep a close eye on the discussions going on around us.

I'm saying this not because I'm an "enlightened centrist" living in a delusion of tolerance or a fascist in disguise. I am as left leaning, antifascist, and antiauthoritarian as they get. I'm just saying this as I know from experience that there's no real way to eliminate people with bigoted views from our communities other than on an individual basis.

Ban an entire instance, you'll still have to block the individuals if they come one by one to stir shit up on your turf. Just skip the first part and go for the individual communities and users. They will simply find each other and form groups, as instances or otherwise anyway.

I know it's not ideal, but there's no real way to prevent these fascist groups from forming anywhere there's a large enough number of people. We can only block our own interaction with them and form counter groups, and actively fight against their bigotry.

I believe this is the sad truth we all have to live with, at least for the time being, because I can't see defederation as an effective tool.

Mate just block it and move on. # You can't stop communities from being what they want to be. It will just form somewhere else. There's a fine line between keeping illegal stuff, harmful trolling and bots off the instance and just straight up policing free speech. At least there everyone knows where they are and can block them once.

I'd much rather that than play whackamole everytime the Donald pops up under a new banner.

Perhaps cool down a bit. You can always block a community that you don't want to see. Taking the nuke out on a whole instance (which is btw. about to install full democracy), just because you dont like a fringe group on there? That's just not the purpose of the defed tool. -- And TD is definitely fringe there and constantly mocked. Sh.itjust.works buddies are making a sport of it, just going there and trying to get thrown out as quickly as possible. They did not break the rules yet so there was no reason to kick them off. If you want to start a discussion on the topic, you can do so at https://sh.itjust.works/c/agora

If you go to your settings, you'll see "Blocks" at the top. There you can search "donald" on the right side and you can block all three that currently exist. I just found that out a few minutes ago.

You're probably going to have a bad time in the Fediverse if you're hoping to avoid viewpoints you don't agree with entirely. The best advice I can give you for now is to just block that community and move on with your life. As much as I hate TD and its members, the sh.itjust.works admin has the right to administer their instance however they want. If they end up with a sufficiently toxic total userbase where their users are causing problems on other instances to the point they are a net negative, they will end up being defederated by other more reasonable instances. Beehaw is being pretty aggressive with defederation for things like this, so if you're looking for the safest of spaces in the Lemmyverse they really might be more your speed. Or you can start your own personal instance and defederate whoever you want 🤷

... Stop fearmongering.

The_Donald, isn't on lemmy. It's here: https://patriots.win/

After reddit booted them, they built their own reddit. I am pretty sure, they aren't interested in moving here, as that would ruin their echo-chamber.

Defederation is not the solution to your problem. sh.itjust.works is one of the larger lemmy instances, hosting lots of users, and lots of content.

The best solution for you, if you don't want to see https://sh.itjust.works/c/thedonald is to block the community. (Or the ONE USER who posts stuff in it)

You cannot defederate every instance, that hosts a community which you do not agree with or like.

(Also- unrelated- c/thedonald isn't going places.... after it breaks the fediverse record of negative downvotes, it will prob disappear soon......)

God please just stop with your whining. Just block them and be done with it. How self-centered can you be to demand defederation just bc you can't deal with a political worldview thats different than yours? Screw you dude.

I don't give a shit what they do.

I can block them, just like every other community I don't want in my timeline.

Hopefully at some point, if we see entire servers being a problem and not just the one community on that server,

we can have the ability to block the server in its entirety, even our server doesn't decide to de-fed with them.

Ideally, kbin will allow us to decide for ourselves what servers/communities to block instead of deciding for us.