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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Man the Democratic Party this election cycle has just been working overtime to invite the conversational wedge between 'saving american democracy from fascism' and 'voting against Trump.'

I guess that's what the donor class wants this time: "Do nothing but vote."

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s what they want every time. Obama had to be shoved down their throats.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

At first. He campaigned as a progressive the first time, but they soon taught him how to govern like a Clintonesque neoliberal 90%+ of the time while constantly promoting the (at the very most) 10% of what he did as president that benefitted regular people more than the already rich and powerful, their corporations and their hedge funds.

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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 months ago (26 children)

We literally do not live in a democracy according to a bunch of empirical studies, and also according to basic material analysis.

The opinion of the masses is never reflected in our government.

Does your politics begin and end at participating in sham elections? Why aren't you encouraging people to take meaningful political action?

Imagine being Russian and the extent of your political activism is encouraging people to vote Putin out.

That's how ridiculous you are.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is your definition of "meaningful political action"? Picking up guns? Got news for you, the government has more of them.

Voting starts at the local level. You vote people into local city government who reflect your views and values. Those people often enough have greater aspirations and want to move up in the political machine. It's extremely rare for someone to be vaulted from average Joe to major political player in one leap. Trump was able to do it by being a populist piece of shit who could pay his way into office.

You have to start small. Get your city council to look like you, then move on to the county, the state, etc.

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[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Oh, I'm sure they would still hold elections. But your options would be even more limited. "Sorry, but the other parties just didn't run any candidates for this election. Imagine that."

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[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

More like "It doesn't matter how you vote, the evil party is going to win because the slightly-less-evil party just lost a large chunk of their voter base because funding a ethnic genocide in the middle east was a hill they were dying on"

Do your part by voting for the slightly less shit party, but don't be surprised when it happens anyway, they're counting on it. They want it. Whenever they need to do something evil they can just throw the election so the republicans can take the hit for them, just like every time.

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

there's a 19yo candidate ? looks like I'm completely out of the loop

[–] mambabasa 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That would not be legal. The Constitution mandates that the president has to be at least 35 years old.

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (5 children)

There are no next gen democrats. They only think one single election at a time.

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[–] spez_@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I vote for old person

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