Honestly, they should just force Reddit to replace them. Let's see how long Reddit lasts without experienced moderators.
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This is what I said to another person:
I’m assuming just current reddit admins are going to take over or getting some certain moderators from subreddits (that aren’t even of high ranking) to take over and remove the higher rankings from power, which then they will be the ones reopening the subreddits.
Now that I read it this sounds like a coup d’état
where I got the idea from: https://lemmy.world/post/101237
It is similar to a coup but from the top, so it‘s more like "consolidating power" phase which dictatorships do go through. Dissenters get removed and replaced by willing servants until the platform is more spez and less "The People". Meanwhile he pretends like somehow the mods are the actual dictators or some shit to make all this palatable to those that still use Reddit, which in my cynical view they will eat up. Reddit is dead and done for anyone who values actual community over ads.
he gets us
/s
If reddit employees start engaging in actual content moderation, reddit will run up against the DMCA's safe harbor protections, which means reddit becomes responsible, as a company, for all the content on the site. Or, at least, in those subreddits.
Ain't no way the legal team is going to let an employee do the actual moderation work. But you're right, they'll find someone who will do it for the power.
It's crazy that some people in these enormous subs pretty much run moderation as a full time job for nothing. Like I totally understand hobbies or contributing to something for the greater good, even I contribute where I can in the open source arena! But to religiously undertake a role like this daily just for the title of MOD is insane to me....
Haha oh shit then all the current mods really should let themselves get overthrown. I am loving this popcorn
of they remove mods because they don't do the job the way they like, they're still under the same law...
You can't sidestep laws by simple workarounds
As far as I'm aware, this isn't necessarily true.
The DMCA sets out several requirements for eligibility for the "safe harbor" provisions, but they basically boil down to "you can't be the entity that posts infringing material, and you need to remove infringing material when notified of the infringement" plus some legal stuff around having a designated agent to receive complaints, etc.
Having the moderators be Reddit themselves doesn't present a problem here. If Reddit themselves start actually uploading infringing material, then they'd have no protection against a complaint on that material, but that's it.
Consider Twitter, YouTube, etc. All of them do 1st party moderation of copyrighted material, and they haven't lost their protection there either.
Spez also apparently called the mods "landed gentry" which is hilarious coming from a rich fuck behaving like a king towards some people who work for him for free!
Yeah, that elicits a comparison to the feudal system that I don't think is flattering to him.
That dude is cringe af
Most of those mods aren't property-owning with titles of nobility so spez is wrong on more levels
hes really going for gold in the scumlympics
Spez is now being outwardly hostile toward the community. His plan isn't working and he is afraid. From a strategy perspective, he should negotiate and for moderators, they should continue until he negotiates.
This doubling down by the moderators will work. The doubling down from Spez will only damage Reddit further.
When they IPO (assuming it is more than 50% equity) we could probably buy enough shares to force him and the board to resign.
He'll still get his golden parachute, which is all he cares about
To me its the same as people who removed about Elon on twitter.
You hate the guy? Thats fine.
But why are you still using his product? Stop paying him.
Does Kbin have a banned word list or something?
The subs should do rolling blackouts on important dates to their communities, Apple announcement day, blackouts... Iphone update days, blackouts... and so on.
It seems quite clear that nobody at Reddit has ever had any form of PR training, The Verge says their PR person was basically saying two different things and contradicting themselves the article goes on to say "I don’t know how to interpret that, or his other replies explaining that the current actions might be a pastiche of interpretations of different rules instead of just Rule 4 — but it all makes me wonder if the conspiracy theorists among us were correct."
That dude seems to been an even bigger idiot than Musk.
Honestly I kind of wonder if this is all some kind of coordinated power grab to crack down on public spaces in the build up to 2024 elections.
Occam's razor says it's just one arrogant prick being an idiot and dragging everything down with him.
I don't think Occam's razor would reach that conclusion when you look at all the different services that are in decline. There's no one person tying them all together. At least, no one that is publicly known.
Peter Thiel comes close for Twitter - he financed Trump, along with a few sinister businesses, and he tried (and failed) to make a Twitter competitor. Thus it makes sense that he'd tap in his old business partner Elon Musk to remove Twitter from the equation (make no mistake, Twitter isn't dying because of Musk's mismanagement, it's dying because of a leveraged buyout saddling it with $13bn of debt). However that doesn't really cover any other service, such as reddit, Discord, or whatever else.
Regardless, we, the people, are being dispersed and our ability to organise suppressed.
bruh, that's been happening. it's part of why the discussion quality on reddit is in such accelerated decline.
I think the real reason the discussions on reddit have been in decline is because
- reddit promotes controversy and ragebait, as this has been proven to "increase user engagement".
- more recently reddit has been wielding the ban hammer hard and perma banning people over things they would previously let slide.
A feat considered impossible until recently.
Did we really expect this to go any other way?
The r/Videos mods called it from day one, and they at least claimed to accept that outcome. I salute those guys. I suspect other mods like r/Apple were never really serious.
I had hoped that the leader of a community website would be willing to talk to their community.
he's not the leader of the website. he's the CEO of a company. the mods are the leaders, and he can't tolerate the challenge to his power.
u/spez said:
We, even in disagreement, we appreciate that users can care enough to protest on Reddit, can protest on Reddit, and then our platform is really resilient enough to survive these things.
Wtf reddit
spez is a proven liar, again and again
They should just leave then, along with all the users supporting the blackout. Not bending for that lying piece of shit is the best thing you can do for the community. Doing what he wants and reopening the subreddit only empowers him to continue ignoring and abusing the community. If reddit thinks they can forcefully open up hundreds and thousands of subreddits and figure out the moderation for all of them, so be it, I don't even want to know how it goes. If you genuinely don't like what spez is doing, delete your reddit account now and stop visiting the site, otherwise you're supporting him and his actions.
But active communities are relied upon by thousands or even millions of users, and we have a duty to keep these spaces active.
Dont kill 3rd party apps then.
Please guys, we need a petition "u/spez wants to replace protesting moderators that does not bow to his will: we want to replace him as Reddit CEO then"
How could someone force mods to reopen? Blackmailing? Or they just really don't want to lose control over subreddit (and possibly see it "shittified")?
I also wanted to write just how stupid it sounds and that things like that were impossible on the forums of ye olde internet - but actually they weren't, admins could do anything if they wanted, lol
By just appointing new mods and removing the old ones? It's not that hard. The subreddit's quality will probably suffer.
So what would happen if the mods refused to moderate and let anybody post anything they want? It's not like they are getting paid and reddit isn't going to pay anybody to moderate.
That's easy - Reddit would simply remove the mods who were refusing to moderate. That's long been against reddit's terms and conditions.
Of course that just brings the conversation right back to how Reddit thinks its subs will cope run by brand new inexperienced moderators.
Even if they did pay someone the quality of moderation will be extremely poor because those people will be surely underpaid, overworked, and won't have any interest in the subreddit's topic.
Reddit would overthrow them.
But I would assume eventually Reddit would run our of mods to replace the mods.
Ideally they moderate enough to not be removed but gradually and subtly use moderation as a way to drive people away.
I see no proof of anything here, sorry. All I see is a link to another instance where someone said they were mods of /r/apple