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LoglineA distress call from Lt. Noonien-Singh compels Spock to disobey orders and take the USS Enterprise and its crew into disputed space, risking renewed hostilities with the Klingons in a bid to aid their shipmate.

Written by Henry Alonso Myers & Akiva Goldsman

Directed by Chris Fisher


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[–] LibraryLass@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I must say I'm already a big fan of Pelia.

[–] End0fLine@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Agreed! Carol Kane is always fun to watch.

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[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Perhaps M’Benga has a stash of the serum Bones will later give Kirk so he can survive his fight with Spock in TOS Amok Time.

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[–] NickofSantaCruz@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The M'Benga-and-Chapel-are-Max-Payne sequence went on far too long: only one group aboard the ship had weapons (and Stormtrooper accuracy) of any kind? I'd have preferred a stealthier sequence: after reprogramming the transponder, they use a series of Jeffries tubes to get to the airlock with the intent of opening it to escape but the ship takes off to ruin that plan.

Other than that, it was a decent episode to get the season going. Spock's emotional journey will be a focal point of the season, which I'm okay with. ~~SPECTRE~~ The Broken Circle Gang is probably going to show up again and I wonder if we'll eventually see some TOS villains retconned to be members. Carol Kane will be fun and with what was said of her species, I'm betting on her making at least two ENT references during the season.

Interesting that the false-flag ship is Crossfield-class: the saucer is a clear match but the drive section is completely different. Were the Discovery and Glenn modified from that spec to fit the spore drive research project or was the ship we saw a wartime refit of the class?

[–] arod48@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

So Die Hard on a spaceship? We did that with Starship Mine already but I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it again. Is Starfleet's version of the Hippocratic oath "First, do no harm, unless you have to, in which case go hard."?

As for the Crossfield-Class, I thought it might either be that the classification of Discovery made them change the format of it for obfuscation purposes. Either that or they built that ship from salvaged parts from the war, and the saucer/transponder was from a Crossfield, and Uhura was simply reading from the transponder code the ship class.

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[–] Captain_Dunsel@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What was the magic hypo serum they used? Was it the lost Captain America serum? Or has that been referenced / used before somewhere else in universe that I don’t recall?

[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

It makes sense to me that the Fed would have access to drugs like these, can't imagine their use is encouraged though.

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[–] RandalThor@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

As President of the Spock/Chapel fanclub and a sucker for Klingons, I feel that this episode was plucked out of my brain.

I loved it.

I’m also glad they began to explore a bit of post war PTSD through M’Benga. It’ll be interesting to see how far they go with the Gorn.

[–] Projectionist@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can we talk about that weird camera roll during the M’Benga / Chapel fight scene? Usually thats done when gravity is changing, but here the camera flipped, they went through a hatch to a lower level, then the camera rolled over again. What was that all about?

[–] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I noticed that too, and I have no idea. It's not like they were even in spave where gravity could be turned off.

[–] WorfsNeglectedChild@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a fine episode, but I felt it tried to take on too much when it absolutely did not need to. The stolen starship thing never felt purposeful. I presume its intent is to help set up why the enterprise is going so deep into klingon territory, but i’m just not sold on that. I think an espionage/stealth set up would’ve been a better balance (especially with later sneaking through the asteroids).

Others have brought up Spock’s emotion and how it’s seemingly exceeding TOS Spock. Personally, Im not too concerned with this. I tend to be pretty fast and lose with canon (i’m here to have fun, not stress over every thing). With that said, my best theory is that between now and The Cage, Spock will have some traumatic event which forces him to lock away his emotions further.

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[–] bookish1303@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Carol Kane is such a gem for this show, I can tell already.

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[–] Azfaa@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

WE ARE BACK!!!! :D

I feel like I have waited so long and it was worth it, while at first I wasn't bought entirely on the action, it really came together at the end.

I loved the entire part of Spock stealing the Enterprize for the first time of many and April's unintentional implications for the future. SNW keeps proving it has the Trek energy, yes it might stumble some, I can understand questions about magic steroids (it's a bit out there even for me but I am also surprised it took this long to have it, but maybe its not meant for combat actually but some medical thing?)

But it doesn't change that the quality of this show is so high, this really manages to capture the feelings of the older series, DS9 and TNG but also with a certain high quality to it.

Loved seeing the Crossfield get another showing and how the D7 has become the mainstay. I like that we get some more traditional trek ships out there. That feel like the older ones.

Klingon blood wine drinking with Spock was amazing.

I also loved Pellia and haven't heard of the lanthenians before but something about the half crazy old lady character is just amazing.

I laughed so much, felt so much heart warming. But then also feeling my heart ripped out with the memory to Nichelle and seeing that she has passed. I remember reading it but had kinda lost track of it.

I am so looking forward to more episodes of this <3

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[–] Kavhow@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not a terrible start but sadly not one of my favorite episodes for sure.

I don't really know how to describe what I didn't like, but I think it boils down to just how disjointed and rushed the pacing feels. For something so high stakes, it all felt really easy and predictable and just a bit boring.

It also felt like they were really really aggressive about making sure you understood the message about Spock. Seriously felt like a character was going to wink at the camera whenever they said something like "you're not a normal Vulcan!".

If I had to describe it, I'd probably go with Saturday morning cartoon surprisingly. A lot of story crammed into not enough time, with a heavy handed message about a character.

I didn't hate it, don't get me wrong. It just wasn't unique or interesting like so many episodes are.

[–] Xero@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, same goes for me. It was good, but it felt inexplicably "off" when compared to the first season.

[–] Dunewarriorz@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Fun episode, but bits and pieces always felt a little off. Pelia was fantastic - love seeing competent non-main-characters in any sort of fiction.

Chapel/Spock... ugh. Not so much.

Whats with the wierd "Crossfield" class?

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