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I had someone steel this and change “butts” to “Christian” and weirdly enough, lengthen my skirt. Kept the flame boots, but no short skirts.

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[–] MrMonkey@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Too many people would change their minds based on what the sign says.

Does you reaction change if the sign read: "Black Lives Matter" or if it read "Back the Blue"?

Or one that says "Trans women are women" vs "trans women aren't women"?

Or "pineapple on pizza is ok" vs "pinapple on pizza is the work of the devil"?

[–] SneakyWeasel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, the first thing that I thought about was what if the sign had a slur word. Sure freedom of speech means say what you wanna say, that doesn't mean people aren't gonna sock you in the face.

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

free speech ≠ hate speech

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion but if your opinion involves being a dick to certain people, keep it for yourselves.

In the comic above, no certain group is targeted so there's no reason to be offended.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

This comic is a dogwhistle for hate speech

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Let's replace the word with "N*****" and see if you still feel clever

[–] Numuruzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point still stands, in the minutiae you're addressing. People post absolute garbage opinions on a regular basis, and are free to do so, as long as their platform allows it. This doesn't go into the consequences of pissing off a lot of people, but you're still free to do it.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The point does not stand. I don't think any set of rules that sees "N***** N***** N*****" as acceptable speech should be respected, nor any person who thinks that way.

[–] Numuruzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

I agree with the spirit, but I disagree with what the point of the comic is - it's not trying to make a point about respect per se, just about freedom of speech. Even if you wouldn't be a part of a community that allows hate speech, if you encounter it "in the street" so to speak - there's just nothing you can do.

[–] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can't see the difference between "butts" and the n word?

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The point is, this argument doesn't hold up.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it's a short comic, it doesn't have the time to go into the nuances. One word has a long history of being used to dehumanize an "other" group and the other just a word for a body part. If body parts offend you as much as racial slurs, you may have your own issues.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Still missing the point

If this logic can be used to defend race hate, then maybe the logic isn't sound

Also, if the issue is too nuanced for you to convey in a short comic, maybe don't make a short comic about it

[–] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The argument isn't about racial slurs.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

I'm gonna need you to engage in just a little more abstract thinking for me. I'm not talking about racism either.

Let's try another thing instead: "Got hates fags"

How about: "Jews did 9/11"

It's pretty easy to say "free speech! I can say whatever I like!! I'm not responsible for your hurt feelings!" without any nuance, but speech is a bit more complicated than that.

[–] navitux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago