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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

we're busy doing the things we need to do since you twits couldn't run a non-genocidal candidate.

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[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

Another day, another Lemmy post blaming leftists instead of Republicans, conservatives, racists, and their enablers.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

and their enablers.

That's what's being done in this post

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Another day, another commenter putting words into my mouth to make themselves feel better. No shit Republicans and the sycophant media are to blame, I blame them all the time. but the disingenuous "abandon harris" crowd sure didn't help either. You're welcome to keep ignoring context though, that's never stopped anyone around here before.

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[–] uniquethrowagay@feddit.org 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Well republicans, conservatives and racists are the minority. Had everybody left of them voted, the US wouldn't be on track to become a fascistoid autocracy.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

But everyone left of them didn't vote, and I think there are certainly more non-voting liberals than non-voting leftists, so focusing on an even smaller minority of Pro-Palestinian abstainers is silly.

Only 64% of the Voting Eligible Population turned out in 2024, what percentage of that 36% remaining do you really think is Pro-Palestinians that couldn't stomach Harris?

[–] Antiproton@programming.dev 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's not blaming leftists. It's blaming people too fucking stupid to vote.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Do you have any facts that show it was Pro-Palestinians that failed to show up? Instead of America just wanting the reactionary populism?

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not instead of, but as well as.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

It's not leftists' fault at all that a centrist party lost to a far right party. Please provide any proof whatsoever that it was Pro-Palestinian voters that caused Democrats to lose the popular vote, the electoral college, the house, and the senate.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

I'm not singling any "side" out as the culprit. It's always "this vs that" with everyone these days. Left vs right. Black vs white. No gray areas.

I'm blaming everybody who didn't vote strategically on Kamala to lessen the horrific effects on the whole WORLD this will have. Not that it seemingly has to make a difference, considering the American voting system is shite. Perhaps Trump was due to win regardless of the American people voting.

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[–] agrantgreen@sh.itjust.works 27 points 19 hours ago (11 children)

One of the candidates was against Palestinian genocide??

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

It's more of that some people wanted to protest the voting.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 31 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

If you thought the people who were critical of the Democrats went quite after the election, you're saying more about the echo chamber you've built for yourself than anything else.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 18 hours ago

Lemmy.world bans all of the prominent voices

Libs: "Where's all of your criticism now, COMMIES?!????"

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

The only people making noise are the centrists looking to blame everyone but themselves for a sweep of all the levers of government, and a gradual loss of the judiciary that will doom the republic. It was an epic asswipping of historic proportions with you lot leading and owning the losing strategy. You dont even have the diginity to be embarrassed about it.

You geniuses lost voters across every single demographic except college educated whites, flatly ignored the economic hardship of the lower and middle class and told people they were delusional to talk about it, and on top of that they enabled and participated in obvious far right war crimes. You lost minority and youth support and trust across the board. And you have no way of earning it back beyond your same tired playbook of being slightly better than Trump, on just a few issues.

Even if Harris had done the right, legal, moral thing and indicated she'd halt the shipments, she still would have lost on her idiotic low-polling economic policy that polled the same as Joe Bidens presidency. So you all supported war crimes and soiled the dem name for basically no gain at all. You doomed the republic, soiled the global understanding of "democracy", and showed the western world order to be a hollow shell of what it once was, where laws and justice dont really matter. All so the DNC elites could take some zionist bribes on a single election cycle, which you then lost. Heck of a job. Its hard to imagine screwing the globe any more thoroughly. Its breathtaking. You couldnt have done a more thorough job if you were maga republican fascists yourselves.

[–] wes7ley@real.lemmy.fan -5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I completely disagree and I think you’re missing the big picture. Progressivism collapsed under its own weight this year. You need to go back a few months earlier. Progressive candidates for down ballot races got absolutely decimated in their primaries.

Yes, economic hardship absolutely was the leading factor. Whether you wish to believe it or not, voters were blaming far-left/progressive policies for the economic mess. That’s the messaging Trump ran on, and that’s the messaging that won. Plain and simple.

Things were so bad for progressives that they had nothing left to champion other than justice for Palestine. The outrage against student loan forgiveness was absolutely brutal. Treating homelessness became an unmanageable and very noticeable problem. Hospitals are literally failing and there wasn’t a peep about Medicare for all. Hell, not once did progressives talk about increasing minimum wage this year.

I believe progressives are misinterpreting the voter alignment on defunding Israel. It’s absolutely wild progressives don’t talk to actual voters. The overall sentiment is isolationism. In other words, complete apathy towards genocide as long as it doesn’t cost me my wallet.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

So let me get this straight:

The Democratic Party snubs the left— even the progressives. They court the right wing, parading the Cheneys around.

The democrats lose.

The rightwing voters get riled up by the mask-off hatred, while their politicians straight up lie to Muslims and Latino people, winning some of their votes.

The democrats lose ground across the board. Their entire turnout was depressed. No matter how many times they learned their views were losing them votes, they refuse to budge on the issues they were undoubtedly wrong about. The fuckin meme says “we didn’t vote for genocide!!!” We can all agree voting…for genocide is…bad, right?

And you’re blaming the people who were ignored and told once again to go fuck themselves? Because they couldn’t stomach voting for people publicly and unflinchingly supporting the genocide.

Not the lying fascists, not the losing party for being told they were going to fail and still failing?

This is exactly how you continue to fail and lose to fascists.

And im telling you right now. History won’t look back and say “those fools! They didn’t vote because of a teensy little genocide!” They will say “all of those people stood by while a holocaust was happening.”

Not a doubt in my mind.

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