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The democrats haven’t held a legitimate primary since 2008!

In 2008 it was a genuine competition between Obama, Hillary, and a handful of other lesser known politicians. Obama won the general in a landslide.

In 2012 Obama ran unopposed. Obama won the general.

In 2016 the democrats rigged the primary against sanders for Hillary, and to absolutely no one’s surprise who was paying attention, Hillary lost the general. Why? she didn’t genuinely win the primary. Shocking!

In 2020, refusing to learn mistakes from 2016, the democrats once again screwed over bernie and didn’t run a legitimate primary - rigged it so that all the candidates except no-path-to-win Warren exited the race to split the progressive vote away from bernie. Joe biden won by the skin of his teeth, and he would of lost if it weren’t for the country reacting to trumps handling of covid.

In 2024, once again refusing to learn the democrats didn’t even bother with a primary, ran an old demented geezer as a presidential candidate, realized that wasn’t going to work, and then anointed unelected Kamala Harris who didn’t even need to compete in a primary.

And they’re shocked they lost?! These people make way too much money to be this stupid.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dems are the greatest ally the GOP could ask for. Lost to Trump at his weakest, literally doing a Nazi rally. Being spineless doesn't get you wins. Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar won re-election by comfortable margins and the rest of the party are fighting for their lives in these states. Some Red States still voted to protect abortion rights and just choose not to vote for Harris.

Even if Jill Stein voters had picked Harris she still would have lost. There is no-one to blame but Harris and embracing people like Dick Cheney anrd The Blue No Matter who crowd themselves. You let Republicans unapologetically be themselves but your're whole brand of politics makes any group who works with you expendable and centers a chance for that 1-2 GOP voters joining. I hope it was worth it.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's past time everyone realized the people running the DNC just don't really care if a republican wins.

The only danger to their careers or quality of life is if a progressive wave takes over the party, because they won't keep pro-corporate people in leadership positions.

And they legally control the primary, so they never have to give up power.

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There are a lot of "leftists" here on Lemmy that have been quite vocal about not caring about, or even preferring if Trump wins, but for way less consistent reasons.

I don't think that this is just a problem with Liberals. People keep using the office of president as a battleground for single issues, and end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater every time.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

People keep using the office of president as a battleground for single issues,

Yeah, like when Obama ran on healthcare and flipped all those red states...

What "single issue" has any of the subsequent Dem candidates ran on besides "my name isn't trump"?

We can't just keep running these "moderate" candidates and keep acting surprised when Dem voters reject them. Biden barely pulled it off, and both Hillary and Kamala failed miserably.

Neoliberalism is not a valid strategy

Now, it's possible you meant single issue voters, but I just didn't think anyone would make that claim and try to blame 5-10 different groups with separate "single issues".

But who knows, a neoloberal just lost the presidential election, were about to see crazy level of mental gymnastics about how the party needs to move even further right.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Harris and embracing people like Dick Cheney

I knew it was over at that point. Whoever suggested that was a good idea for Harris that late in the campaign definitely has a MAGA hat in their closet.

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I knew it was bad at the debate, where Trump even called her out for adopting his polices like the border wall and stuff. But the Dick Cheney thing was crazy because not only was he rejected by Liberals in the past. But he is still one of the most hated War Criminals of all time. He isn't going to sway over GOP people when you're active in genocide. It just makes you look like the type of people he likes.

[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Seriously? People making the choice to have Trump because she had Cheney supporting her, that is some funny math...people need to stop demanding a perfect candidate and start thinkinh about who do you want to be your opponent for the next four years.

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[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't think it's exactly a matter of appealing to progressives, but an inherent difficulty in trying to appeal to a wide variety of people with a wide variety of interests. You end up having to make vague promises in order not to offend anyone, which comes across as being boring or disingenuous, like you are only saying stuff in order to get elected and not because you actually belive in it. Conservatives can have much simpler and more straightforward messaging because their base is much more homogeneous.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I disagree. Championing progressive policies in most instances actually appeals universally to a majority of the electorate.

I'm not suggesting they'd be able to follow through because I think a significant number of Democrat representatives can't stomach actually progressive policies... but I think they'd win more elections.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Progressives carry the campaign. They are the enthousiam. They recruit others. They are the mouth to mouth advertisement. They drive people to the polls.

Democrats do not need them though. They can win without.

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[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The electorate swung solidly right, giving Trump the popular vote. Much as I'd like a more left-wing administration in the US, the evidence does not support the theory that a left leaning campaign would have helped. The US apparently wants an authoritarian government, and it got it.

This is not just the US either - globally we are shifting rapidly to authoritarian regimes. In my own UK where the center left (at best) Labour won the election, but only because the right wing parties were split by FPTP. The Tories elected a far right leader last week and got derided for it, but for them, it's absolutely the right move, and the next election will likely deliver a far right Tory or Tory/Reform coalition. For reference, Labour got less votes than the previous election that they lost in a land slide.

Same where I currently live, Germany, and my fiancé's France.

Dark times are ahead. Prepare for the worst.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I don't know if sentiment swung or if Dems just didn't show up.

Biden had over 80 million votes in '20. Trump had like 74. Trump got less total votes this year than in '20. Only problem was like 15 million Dems didn't show up.

If there is one thing you can count on from a Democrat "voter", it's for them to not actually vote.

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[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Its cos they are scared of what will happen if bernie where to win the primary

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Fuck no, the republicans shouldn’t even be close. The fact that they're tolerating Nazis and other similar views is why they felt comfortable voting for Trump. I will NEVER forgive them.

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

On top of that, dems have done a load of jack shit in power, even with a majority for half of the last term. Most of the policies Biden promised never came to fruition. Just sitting back and slowly letting the people shrivel. Advertising themselves as "maintaining the status-quo" isn't appealing for the average voter. As a Harris voter, I say that dem voters have an apathy problem.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Actually, the American people have done that to themselves.

Every American eligible to vote had access to all the info about both candidates. And the majority of voters chose to vote for Trump.
More than 70% of eligible voters chose not to vote against Trump.

There's no reason to believe the election was rigged.

Americans, you've made your bed. Now lie in it.

I just hope that my country's government will finally find their backbone and realize we can't rely on or trust yours any longer, and draw the necessary consequences.

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago

Wow super sharp edge you got there. Does your mother know you're online?

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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your mistake is thinking the Democratic Party is trying to get members elected. Their primary goal is to keep the top brass in positions of power and then to keep their donors making money.

That second one is true of every political party, they just have different ways of going about it.

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[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Weird you didn't post this before the election results came in, since it was so obvious.

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