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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 124 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (10 children)

Wisconsin, US here. My county went 70% for Trump this time. That's versus ~48% in 2016. The problem isn't democracy. The problem is the people. Pissed as hell for all the wrong reasons at all the wrong people. Unable to see reality, expecting that the person in charge could make it a utopia with the flick of a switch. The average American is delusional and irreparably stupid.

We constantly joke that it's Idiocracy, but the truth is...

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 36 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for saying it. The voter is the fucking problem. Anyone with half a brain realizes this. Gaza, egg prices, and the candidate not having a dick was enough to the traitor rapist felon to get a trifecta. That's not a campaign problem. Maybe Harris didn't run a perfect campaign, but that's clearly not the issue here

[–] Altofaltception@lemmy.world 16 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not American. Maybe my opinion also comes from a place of not understanding how government works in the US. But in 2020, Biden won the Presidency and the Democrats had control of the House and the Senate. Yet, they had a harder time of reversing Trump's policies than he had pushing them through. Let alone not even trying to enact progressive policies.

As an outside observer, maybe that's why people have lost faith in the Democratic party.

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[–] assaultpotato@sh.itjust.works 28 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah uh, I really really hate to say it, but... democracy worked this time. The voice of the people is "Trump please". Democracy just means you get what most people want, not what the best option is.

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[–] zerog_bandit@lemmy.world 26 points 9 hours ago

Democrats were voting to avoid a repeat. Republicans were voting to avoid jail time. The latter was a bigger motivator to get off the couch.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 24 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (13 children)

What??? We literally saw democracy play out. You can't even use the excuse that he lost the popular vote, he won every type of democratic way we have.

You know what wasn't democracy? Installing candidates into primaries over democratically popular candidates. Hillary in 2016, Biden in 2020 and Kamala in 2024. In every single one of these primaries, they did everything they could to shut down anyone popular who showed any sign of having a backbone, even though they killed democracy as it happened.

What we saw was a backlash to a stifling of democracy. Democracy won last night.

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[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 26 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

(in spirit since I am not American)

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Part of that joke though is that they're both exactly the same which is of course a false premise.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 8 hours ago

Well I was posting it more to the point of the I am sure wave of people saying "Well I voted for the Dems" is fast approaching.

[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone has made their bed, now everyone has to sleep on it.

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[–] servobobo@feddit.nl 24 points 12 hours ago

this is what a terminal case of neoliberalism looks like, kids

[–] Wolfram@lemmy.world 141 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I can't tell you how much faith I've lost in the average person in America, especially compared to how... ok, I guess, the last election went and how tight, or possibly over this one is.

I can't fathom how fucking stupid anyone would have to be to elect this orange piece of shit that has been upping the dangerous rhetoric constantly. America is broken and it isn't worth fixing, especially not for the morons that somehow get him elected again. I just hope that I can get to a point in my career that I can move elsewhere, maybe Ireland or New Zealand or something, fuck.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 44 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

For real. The rest of the world needs to get their shit together and cripple the US. Cease all trades immediately, end all alliances with the US. The US has the largest military in the world, and now the facists have the reins entirely. They have the oval office, the have the house, they have the Senate and they have the supreme court. The entire world is going to suffer because of this election.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

US politics have gone to dangerous direction for decades. Orange freak is only a symptom. US is gonna become Russia level cleptocracy and when climate crysis hits fully, world will be more separated and chaotic than ever.

Yeah, this recent election shows how far gone my country really is. But unfortunately it's also the golden opportunity facists have been working towards for a long time.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

There may not be any need for that.

The United States, China, etc. all have trade policies that are fundamentally unsustainable and result in persistent trade imbalances.

This causes all sorts of poor economic outcomes for large sectors of those countries. For example, an anaemic household sector in China and over investments in housing, huge private and public sector deficits in the United States, etc.

In the free market world of Adam Smith and comparative advantage, persistent trade imbalances should not exist.

Over the medium to long term, imports are meant to pay for exports.

If there are persistent trade imbalances, it means there is persistent under consumption (China) or over consumption (United States).

Note: This is not just limited to these countries.

At some point, there is going to be an economic crisis because it can't continue forever.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml -5 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

God you blue conservatives are ridiculous.

You'd rather support the death of America over doing away with the two party system.

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