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[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 14 points 13 hours ago (10 children)

Seeing how this thread is full of hate for Spotify by seeming large number of people who are fans of streaming music/podcast services, I'll pos this question here:

What are the better alternatives for someone seeking to get their favored audios, in terms of library selection, able to form custom playlists and how much if any support to the artist/content creator actually gets to them and what is pocketed by the app?

[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Tidal, or buy albums and self host if you're up for it but I feel like that's not a real option for most.

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 13 points 12 hours ago

I don't think there's all-in-one best option

library size

Deezer

how much is paid to the creator

Bandcamp

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Self host and buy the albums

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

How big is the percentage artists get for the album really though?

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

That is a complex question but my line of thought is this: artists have accepted legal agreements on how to sell/stream their work and how much they get for it. You as a consumer don't need to worry about this. If there is a way to buy/stream the product legally then the artist has approved of getting money that way.

Basically i don't think this should be a point to discourage buying audio and owning it. The alternative is never owning music and tough luck if a song gets pulled because of legal disputes or whatever.

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[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 147 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Damn, spotify truly is a scourge to artists.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 104 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

The entire music industry is built to grift money from musicians and Spotify is a second layer of musician grifting industry built on the first.

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[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 55 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

I'm a girl, in a healthy BMI and with nice hair, pretty and freckled face, but my feet are super crappy. Like, crusty, toes bend at weird angles, hard skin in random places. Even my own husband is like "plz no, stop" if they get too near to him.

I'm now wondering if there's a market on the other end of the scale...

[–] neidu2@feddit.nl 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

It is my firm belief that, given a proper pitch, ANYTHING can be sold at a profit.

Also, there's rule 34: If a thing exists, it's someones fetish.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 25 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If it exists there is porn of it... Not sure where you got that other version from

[–] skye@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

You can probably extrapolate from "if it exists, there is porn of it (no exceptions)".

If there is porn of something, the most likely reason is that someone has a fetish for it.

If the person making the porn doesn't have a fetish for said thing, then they're making it for an existing market of people.

QED, you can say "if it exists, someone has a fetish for it"

P.S: What if there isn't porn of something? Rule 35 states that if it doesn't exist, it will be made.

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You have fundamentally misunderstood millennial meme culture ca. 2006 (roughly when the rules were made).

No one having a fetish for it would be extremely motivating to create such porn. People realized after it was made that they had a fetish for it. See: Shrek.

So technically you can still say "if it exists, someone has a fetish for it" but you've relied on correlation to determine causation and gotten it backwards. This is a great example of why we don't do that.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Post pictures of them on Onlyfans.

Add the caption "Listen up, degenerates. I'll only warn you once. I will release a new photo, closer than the previous, every hour, on the hour, until my subscriber goal is met."

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There is. There’s a fetish for everything. Certainly when it involves your feet, I’d ask your husband if he’d be ok with some internet strangers paying you every month to see your feet, the worst is he says no, and on the other hand if he says yes you have a second source of easy income

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago

He'd probably have empathy pains for any future subscribers.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I used to know a dude that would have gotten hard at your written description here. No bullshit. Dude was obsessed with feet, and what he called "real feet" were his particular favorite. Feet that had seen some life, had been used was one of the few things he would talk about. Literally obsessive about feet.

I guarantee he is not the only one. The only question is if there's enough like that to make any useful money out of a feet only business.

There's something about foot fetishists that's extra obsessive compared to any other fetishists I've run across over the years.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

See, I can kinda get it for some elegant and well kept ones and I'd definitely down for some foot play in such cases. But I don't know if that would even classify as a foot fetish when I constantly hear about how bad people have it for the (pardon) "ugly" and unkempt ones, which I just find weird.

But yeah... I mean, there's like 8 billion people on this planet. There's always some niche where one fits into that would get someone off and could be capitalized if they'd be willing to do so. Just keep in mind that you're, in the end, still selling your body for sex in a way.

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[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Some people just don't like feet / being near them etc. Had girlfriends who would freak out if we somehow touched feet (even with socks on).

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[–] ApeNo1@lemm.ee 11 points 13 hours ago

From creating toe tappers to taping her toes.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 110 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

Some years ago, an artist who was not a mega-star but was on all the major music services published an article detailing how well each one paid. I'm now kicking myself for not bookmarking it. I clearly remember Spotify being among the worst, if not the worst.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 30 points 15 hours ago

Snoop Dogg said he got 45k for a billion streams.

[–] Hegar@fedia.io 89 points 18 hours ago

The musician I saw last week mentioned that he'll get more money if you buy a CD from him now than if you stream his catalog on spotify for the rest of your life.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 60 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

Holy shit. I have feet. Does anyone want pictures of a guy's feet? They're big and weirdly shaped.

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 27 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I wear a men's 14. Basically the DD's of feet. My wife says I'm not allowed to show them off for free so get our your wallets folks.

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[–] celeste@kbin.earth 38 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I'm positive there is an audience for men's feet, but if you aren't 5 stars on wikifeet, you'll probably have to market yourself. Study the foot fetish community to find out what the dude foot fan needs more of. Etc.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 31 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Is there any way I can do this without finding out any more about this fetish?

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[–] Mango@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

I love how the whole crowd of people that used to be all "what, you don't have a Spotify account?!" Are now starting with the "wait a minute, these guys are domineering and bad!" Like the signals for crowd abuse aren't plain as day.

This exploitative behavior will be down by literally any company that sets themselves up to be "the streets" that you gotta navigate to interact with someone else or their media. That means YouTube, Facebook, and also all those physical places on Earth.

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[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 37 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Am I missing something? Does it not say she makes an estimated $4000 per DAY from Spotify and $8000 per MONTH from onlyfans?

[–] celeste@kbin.earth 43 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lily-allen-feet-pictures-make-more-money-spotify-streams-1235811354/

Allen’s daily stream count on Spotify as of Oct. 17 was about 851,623. Assuming that number is correct, the Music Streaming Royalty Calculator estimates Spotify would’ve paid a total of $4,077 a day, with $3,239 going to sound recording for the copyright owner; $336 of mechanical royalties going to the publisher, who pays the songwriter; and $503 in performance royalties going to performance rights organizations (ASCAP, BMI, etc.).

Which of these numbers goes to her? I'm just confused, I think.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Everybody likes to hate Spotify but if they pay out 4000 dollars a day and the artist gets nothing, that doesn't sound like Spotify is the main problem.

[–] Pringles@lemm.ee 18 points 12 hours ago

That's pretty well known. They cut shitty deals with the record labels so they can have a large library. The record companies are making massive bank on Spotify, unlike pretty much every other party involved, including Spotify.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

There's a definite industry problem, but that doesn't excuse Spotify.

Apple Music pays artists 50-100% more than Spotify do per play, and Tidal pay triple to quadruple. Even Amazon pay artists more than Spotify; only YouTube is worse.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

An unknown and probably pitiful fraction of $336, by the looks of it.

$336 of mechanical royalties going to the publisher, who pays the songwriter

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Ok I did a little searching. She might get some of the $336 to the publisher/songwriter, but only if she is credited as a writer. Not every song is written by the artist. There doesn't seem to be anything in that breakdown that goes to the artist specifically. The bulk of the money is going to the copyright owner, who is often the record company, and seems to be who owns her songs. It seems like whatever she gets paid would be up to whatever contract she signed with them.

This pdf file explains that a typical major label artist might make 18% of the $4077 per day.

https://www.manatt.com/Manatt/media/Media/PDF/US-Streaming-Royalties-Explained.pdf

If she makes $266 a day from onlyfans, she has to be making around 8% of the $3,239 the record company is getting daily for it to be less than onlyfans.

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[–] celeste@kbin.earth 29 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

What's fun is that some people who read this article are probably into feet (good for them!) so it's like an ad and now she'll probably make even more on onlyfans. While still making ludicrously little from spotify.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

While still making ludicrously little from spotify.

"Allen’s daily Spotify earnings are $4,077, or about $1.4 million per year."

If that's "ludicrously little", I want to be as poor as she.

[–] celeste@kbin.earth 5 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

What's her cut of that? If she gets all of it, then, yeah.

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