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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

More proof that Israel should be anathema to us - they broke one of our most sacred tenets

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Don't touch the oil boats.

Then it's a whole other story.

Fucking with the U.S. Navy is one thing. Fucking with the world's fossil fuel companies' revenues? Good luck.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yemen has been undergoing a US-Saudi backed genocide for years

Guterres put the crisis in stark perspective, emphasizing the near complete lack of security for the Yemeni people. More than 22 million people out of a total population of 28 million are in need of humanitarian aid and protection. Eighteen million people lack reliable access to food; 8.4 million people “do not know how they will obtain their next meal.”

Besides Saudi Arabia, the coalition attacking Yemen includes the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and Bahrain. Qatar was part of the coalition but is no longer.

Based on the information available to it using open sources, YDP reports that two-thirds of the coalition’s bombing attacks have been against non-military and unknown targets. The coalition isn’t accidentally attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure – it’s doing it deliberately.

The air and naval blockade, in effect since March 2015, “is essentially using the threat of starvation as a bargaining tool and an instrument of war,” according to the UN panel of experts on Yemen.

The coalition’s genocide in Yemen would not be possible without the complicity of the U.S. This has been a bipartisan presidential effort, covering both the Obama and Trump administrations.

U.S. arms are being used to kill Yemenis and destroy their country. In 2016, well after the coalition began its genocidal assault on Yemen, four of the top five recipients of U.S. arms sales were members of the coalition.

The U.S. has also provided the coalition with logistical support, including mid-air refueling, targeting advice and support, intelligence, expedited munitions resupply and maintenance.

US complicity in the Saudi-led genocide in Yemen spans Obama, Trump administrations

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I do not disagree.

However, the Houthis are using child soldiers on their front lines.

So fuck them too.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/13/yemen-houthis-recruit-more-child-soldiers-october-7

There is just no "good guy" involved in this particular conflict.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

Which is worse: using "child soldiers" to fight genocide or genociding children including those too young to be soldiers?

B/c the "both sides" argument is just obvious BS.

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[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

That's not my point. This isn't about good guys or bad guys. This is about an entire population subjected to a genocide. There are plenty of reasons to not like the Houthis, but that doesn't change the reality that they only exist as a resistance to the ongoing genocide. The point isn't that the Houthis are good, it's that the genocide, facilitated by the US and our Ally Saudi Arabia, is significantly worse by multiple magnitudes.

The root cause of the problem is still the genocide, that's a much bigger concern, especially to the people of Yemen, than to stop or reform the Houthis themselves. They can only be addressed in a realistic way, by the people of Yemen, once the genocide ends.

As of February 2018, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the coalition had killed 6,000 people in airstrikes and wounded nearly 10,000 more.

Yet, according to the OHCHR report, these counts are conservative. Tens of thousands of Yemenis have also died from causes related to the war. According to Save the Children, an estimated 85,000 children under five may have died since 2015, with more than 50,000 child deaths in 2017 alone from hunger and related causes.

If you're concern is the well-being of the children in Yemen, which is a completely valid concern, then you can clearly see that the genocide is a far greater threat to them.

[–] FatCrab@lemmy.one 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe I'm wrong, and definitely correct me if so, but I thought the houthis formed well before the Saudi lead effective genocide occurring in Yemen. In fact, the current conflict is the result of the houthis basically couping the preceding government? If that's the case, it doesn't make much sense to characterize them as a resistance or reactionary force to anything externally?

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That's a great question, I'm no expert on the situation so let me see what I can find.

The Houthis emerged as a Zaydi resistance to Saleh and his corruption in the 1990s led by a charismatic leader named Hussein al Houthi, from whom they are named. They charged Saleh with massive corruption to steal the wealth of the Arab world’s poorest country for his own family, much like other Arab dictators in Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria. They also criticized Saudi and American backing for the dictator.

After 2003, Saleh launched a series of military campaigns to destroy the Houthis. In 2004, Saleh’s forces killed Hussein al Houthi. The Yemeni army and air force was used to suppress the rebellion in the far north of Yemen, especially in Saada province. The Saudis joined with Saleh in these campaigns. The Houthis won against both Saleh and the Saudi army, besting them both again and again. For the Saudis, who have spent tens of billions of dollars on their military, it was deeply humiliating.

Since Yemen’s revolution ended in 2012, the Houthis have demanded a greater role in the government and in the drafting of a new constitution. They accuse the government of corruption and oppose polices they say are at odds with their minority group’s interests, including a proposed division of the country into six federal states. They say such a move would weaken their Zaidi sect’s political representation.

It seems like they began as a resistance to US and Saudi interests and corruption in Yemani Government. It could be fair to frame the genocide as a 'punishment' for their resistance against US/Saudi interests in the region

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[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (55 children)

There's a reason why they were able to recruit children. Because the US and their allies have created an environment in Yemen where children would rather be soldiers than actual children.

Houthis offer salaries and food baskets for families of those who are willing to join them, which works well given the deteriorated humanitarian and economic situation,” said a female human rights activist in Sanaa. You see the same circumstances in a lot of third-world countries America has decided to fuck up.

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