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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (8 children)

jordan petersons response, is literally perfect. "marry one and find out"

Unfortunately most of his braincells seem to no longer exist, but he has short second winds from time to time i suppose.

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[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (13 children)

What do you guys think a woman is?

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

First you have to ask what gender is. Gender is a set of behaviors expected of people of a given sex.

Then, you have to ask what it means to belong to a given gender. You don't have to, and can't, meet all the behavioral expectations of a given gender. Those expected behaviors change over time. People of all sexes have interests that cross gendered lines because gender is not perfectly correlated to specific behaviors - instead it is a broad notion of behaviors that are considered to correlate with a given sex.

Additionally, there exist people who are not really male or female due to genetic differences. But, society typically treats them as the gender typically assigned to the sex they most resemble. So, since they do not have the "correct" sex and may not participate in the "correct" behaviors to belong to a given gender, their assigned gender is arbitrarily determined.

Those 3 things establish that gender is: not biological, not behaviorally determined, and somewhat arbitrary.

Since gender isn't biological, woman =/= female person

Since gender isn't behaviorally determined, woman =/= someone who engages in typically feminine behaviors

Since gender is at least partially arbitrary, woman =/= a factual category that can be determined by material features of a person

If women don't have to be female or engage in typically feminine activities and can't be defined by physical or genetic characteristics, then what is left? Someone who identifies as a woman - who wants to be treated as a woman by others.

"But that's circular!!!" It actually isn't. "Woman" as a category confers societal roles and expected behaviors onto a person, "woman" as a person just means someone who belongs to the category "Woman". The only determining factor is being a member of the category. It'd be like asking "what is a boy scout?", getting "a member of the boy scouts" as an answer, and then being upset that there isn't some fundamental universal law being appealed to when classifying people as boy scouts.

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 months ago

An intentionally vague term; we have known that a binary gender system is faulted at least ever since the late 1700s as that is when the term "intersex" was added to the Oxford English dictionary. The concept of intersex Highlights the vagueness of both man and woman. Like most intentionally vague terms, we like to pretend to have a clear grasp of what it is as the admission of the vague nature harms the utility of the word. In most cases, an precis Definition of, e.g. culture or woman, carries less utility than the share vague understanding of the term. In other words, trying to define the word is taking part in an effort that goes against the point of having words, being able to effectively communicate ideas.

Ofc, defining a woman within a conversation or a paper for the sake of clear communication is a good idea in some situations. Just like defining a dice to have 6 sides makes sense in the manual of a game but it doesn't make sense outside of these cases.

[–] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 6 points 3 months ago

Like a man but wo

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[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The proper response to Charlie Kirk saying,'I'm married to a woman' is 'How long did the Koch's make her agree to it?'

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

Also watch if someone asks you what theft is. (Stupid taxation is theft with no good faith in sight.)

[–] x4740N@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

When a Conservative doesn't pay their fair share of tax and uses loopholes and malicious tactics to ensure they don't pay their fair share of taxes

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I haven't encountered that one yet, but it doesn't shock me that they try it.

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

What is a woman? A fuzzy type.

Same as many many many many other categories previously thought crisp. Simple example: "living thing".

Beat the right with fuzzy facts and fuzzy logic.

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